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Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 400252)

That is just to ensure workforce turnover. Too much of that crap will do a number on your body (kidney stones, wreck your BP, heart problems). They are ensuring in 10 years you are unable to fly and they will hire a new guy to do your job.

So do you also avoid sunlight, water, and Advil?

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Originally Posted by POPA (Post 400313)

So do you also avoid sunlight, water, and Advil?

I was being sarcastic, but I used to suck down absurd amounts of Mt. Dew. On a serious note, I have had friends that drank large amounts of soda that have gotten kidney stones...didn't look or sound like fun.

I gave up that stuff about 5 years ago and have not touched soda since.

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Originally Posted by sweptback (Post 400113)

So, you as a new EMB CA could bid CRJ CA tomorrow? If so, that's news to me. I thought you had a one year seat lock to complete.

ASA in 1998 was the first union regional to get cancellation pay, block or better, and all of that. We've always had leg-by-leg for cancellation pay, block or better (and we get paid off the published times in the Delta schedule and not based on historical trip times or anything like that), and being displaced off your trip (some contracts do it day-by-day which is not as good). Actually, in 1998, the things we got in our contract blew away most of the other regionals... it's just after 10 years some parts were dated. However, there are still airlines that don't have the work rules we had in our 1998 contract, which is a shame.

Are you sure about that? The contract I got hired at while at ACA in 2000 was OLDER than 1998 if I remember correctly. For some reason, I believe it was 1997 when it was signed. We had block or better, cancellation, etc.

We also had 1 more day off a month.

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Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 400353)

Maybe I was mistaken, but I thought ACA was next in line after we got our contract. That was so long ago that I may be off.

And yes, the days off under the 98 contract were a low point. Like I said, some things were dated after almost 10 years...

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Originally Posted by sweptback (Post 400422)

Our contract 97 was the one, our contract 2001 was better. First regional CBA to have $100 for RJ CA as well.

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Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 398378)

That's why I called it a BS BHO (Brad Holt Override). About the only good it does is increase the total flying seeing you can now lump them all together and all RJ pilots can bid on all the pairings; this greatly increase their efficiency and their credit values as well as their commutability. It may not seem like much but it sure can improve one’s QOL.

BTW, I voted NO for the pay proposal. I wanted a CHO (Credit Hour Override) so that our pilots will get paid the override on the pairings credit value. This can easily be accomplished by using the pairings A/C identifier to set the pilot pairing pay rate. If it is a CR7 or CR9 ID pairing then all the credit (including DH's and Training) will get paid out with the override.

Or you could have a system like XJT's. XJT has 30 37 seaters. When FOs upgrade, they either hold the 37 or 50 seat rate. If you hold the 37 seat rate, you get paid the 37 seat rate ONLY when you fly the 37 seater but when you fly the 50 seater, you get paid for the 50 seat rate (except if you are reserve and don't break MMG). There are no separate lines. Everyone bids the same lines/pairings whether you hold the 37 seat rate or the 50 seat rate.

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Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 398693)

There are also Comair tail numbers being flown by ASA and Mesa numbers being flown by SKW as well as many other regionals. I also believe we have a few former ACA birds as well. Didn’t TSA just get a few Mesa birds and DAL just received 20 757's that were former AA/ex-TWA birds.

Yes there were a few planes that were transferred over but when we received the 12 CR7's from Comair 4 went to SKW and 8 to ASA. Bottom line, planes move and sometimes they move without the lose or gain of flying.

ALPA's Fee For Departure Task Force is working on rectifying this. As a matter of fact, there is a bilateral agreement between two ALPA pilot groups and their respective management's that would allow pilots to transfer over with their aircraft and given seniority. Bottom line, if your are not ALPA, or at least union, you cannot help to prevent the whipsaw this creates.

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Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 399124)

Regardless, our raise was actually spurred on by the failed union vote and not ASA's CBA. The timeline was purely coincidental, besides you can see how much their TA helped us due to the fact that we already had everything they now have with the exception of a few more $ per hour. It seems that our pay and QOL "policies" helped them more than their CBA helped us.

Take a look at the timeline and you’ll see that the SKW pay negotiations spiked shortly after the failed vote.

ASA had already negotiated their CBA while the ALPA drive was ongoing. Skywest even put propaganda out using ASA's TA. The negotiations were already over by the time SKW put out their pay rates for Skywest. And the only reason why there even was a TA at that "coincidental" timeline, is because JA had to be dragged into the negotiations by the NMB and Prater to finally get it done with the threat that ASA would be released if there wasn't one.

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Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 400068)

Wrong and you're giving your CBA way too much credit. Our new pay rates were voted in due to the failed union vote and yes ASA's new pay rates and only their pay rates, as well as everyone else’s were used in the process. But WE’VE HAD YOUR NEW WORK RULES FOR ALMOST A DECADE now and you just got them.

I mean no offense, just correcting your errors. :rolleyes:

Skywest management themselves have said that ASA's CBA is worth 4% more than Skywest's pay/benefits and work rules. PBS alone is worth that much to Skywest management.

Nevets. You're an ALPA prima donna...

Jesus....yet again another "my airline is better than your airline" thread. Pathetic. Hey alpha dogs, put down your swords, take a swig of that Mountain Dew and relax.

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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 400488)

Nevets. You're an ALPA prima donna...

And yet another SKW FO counting on JA's promised 18 month upgrade that soothes all ills. ASA had the work rules before SKW did. ASA had the pay rates before SKW did. All that is just fact. The REAL subject is what are work rules worth? At ASA a union sits watch and provides the force of contract law (RLA) if the company violates a rule. At SKW, the company "interprets" a work rule out of existence or just blatantly violates it, you have no recourse. You just whine a little, start organizing a union drive, JA counts the votes, adds a little pay raise with a lot of propaganda just to be sure he wins, and presto! Nothing changes. Those 18 month upgrades are gonna be hard to keep now that XJT won't be subsidizing SKW growth. The main reason SKW has seen that fast a seniority progression is because they bought ASA and rebranded ASA flying under Delta, yes EXISTING ASA flying, as SKW flying. They also did the same thing with Skyway and their pilot group. Now watch the next few years as the industry contracts and there isn't the new aquisition to cannabalize. I wish all the SKW pilots the same good fortune I wish all other pilots. We all need to see a little more stability even though we knew this career was not stable. I have always wanted to see SKW do well as other carriers. I just never supported other pilot groups suffering under SKW Holdings so SKW pilots could have it better. We ALL should have it better based on our own merits at the companies we work, not because our CEO paid your CEO a bunch of money and now you sit stagnant while I advance.