Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 398363)

Sad isn't it. We all deserve so much more and when I say deserve I truly mean deserve.

Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 398349)

I understand your point but understand that at the time of Comair's concessions our 5th year 50 seat FO rate was almost $39/hr and our 2006 CR7/9 rate with the override (BS override) was near $41/hr. So yes Comair had the highest rates but to say that SKW was on the low side of the bell is horse......................

Actually it was MAG and RAH that hurt you guys the most while ASA and SKW were somewhat comparable to each other although they were and are still much lower than Comair's pre-concession rate.

5th Yr FO rate:

RAH - $37/hr (current rate which I believe was less in 06)
MAG - $35/hr
SKW - $39/hr (50); 41/hr (66+)

I mean no offense so don't take any, just correcting your posting with the facts.

Originally Posted by ChinsFive (Post 398368)

What payrate do the jet guys at SkyWest get when they deadhead? What about when they are in training? What about when they call out sick? What about when they have a cancelation? What about when they go out on medical leave?

Just wondering...

Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 398378)

That's why I called it a BS BHO (Brad Holt Override). About the only good it does is increase the total flying seeing you can now lump them all together and all RJ pilots can bid on all the pairings; this greatly increase their efficiency and their credit values as well as their commutability. It may not seem like much but it sure can improve one’s QOL.

BTW, I voted NO for the pay proposal. I wanted a CHO (Credit Hour Override) so that you can get pair my pairing ID. If it is a CR7 or CR9 ID pairing then all the credit (including DH's) will get paid out with the override. This is just as easy to accomplish as the BHO is.

Originally Posted by ChinsFive (Post 398381)

Why not a blended rate?

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 398322)

I have two instances where SKW's rates didn't "help" Comair's bargaining power...

I seem to recall Comair management and the Bankruptcy Judge throwing out Comair's negotiated pay rates in 2006. They replaced them with a rate they determined by averaging the ASA, CHQ, SKW, and MAG rates for each equipment type.

The SKW and MAG numbers sure flushed the pay rate for the 70-seat guys. A 5-year 70-seat FO (yes, Comair's 5-year guys are still FOs) went from $46.99 to $36.50. Big ouch.

In addition, the next year SKW won Delta's RFP and were awarded half of Comair's 70 seat jets.

Every time you see a SKW CRJ700 numbered NxxxCA you're witnessing the benefits of a "non-negotiated, below-industry-average pay scale"

The Comair guys mostly blame Atlanta and not the SKW pilot group, but it sure gets frustrating year after year hearing:
"If you won't fly for cheaper, we'll give your planes to (fill in the blank) because their pilots will..."

Let me know if my memory is off.

Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 398449)

lets not forget rahs contract was negotiated five years ago...

Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 398385)

Could work and has worked but dependant on your contract it can hurt your pilot group. Just look at RAH were you can't change A/C type or Airline Certificates (Republic, Shuttle America, Chautauqua) unless you get a pay raise. Not much good that does a reservist on the CRJ who can hold a line on the EMB's. Or the Republic E-170 CA who moved to ATL for family reasons but has to commute to ORD even though SA has an E-170 base in his backyard.

But it could work with the right contractual wording and the proper variable rates that can adjust themselves over time for an increase in larger a/c flying.