I agree to a degree with you but i do think a lot of the "my regional is better then yours..." business comes from people getting frustrated with the constant undercutting in the industry. You could concentrate on improving your airline but as history keeps repeating itself the better-ed airlines never stay on top for long because they start getting undercut. Comair, AWAC,... are some of the recent obvious ones. A lot of people start holding grudges against these undercutting airlines and their pilots even if their pilots had nothing to do with the actual business side of the undercutting. It is almost a disbelief in the lack of understanding of fellow pilots who are willing to work for a company that is basically taking the pilot profession backwards as far as pay and benefits go. Management wins and the whipshaw continues. Those better-ed airline employees are soon downsized and looking for work at the next to be better-ed airline. There wont be any forward progress until everyone is miserable and so far there has always been someone naive enough to fly for miserable pay and working conditions.

Where are the unions in this? that can be debated but unions have been ineffective in educating younger pilots on their career options and rallying the troops towards one collective goal. Voting in a union could be a good thing for a pilot group but it doesn't guarantee anything.

ps. i think my dad could whoop your dads ass ... jk

 

newarkblows...You're right! That is why I completely disagree with "get your time and get out," as was the school of thought that ran rampant throughout the Pilot ranks of Trans States.

 

Bingo!

I was at ZV/YV when it happened there with FJ.

The whipsaw of FJ prevented ZV/YV pilots from fighting for a "raising the bar" contract.

 

what the hell does having a backpack, ipod or frosted spiked hair have anything to do with anything...

explain to me how walking a picket line with another airline really matters. besides being rah rah what does it really do? real unity is a joke in the airlines. it doesn't exist. all it is is a nice catch phrase. nothing else.

why should the public give a flip about us? do you give a flip about all the other jobs out there?

 

The unions definitely need to start showing up at the FBOs and the Flight Schools. I get a career services letter from ERAU and it prominently shows some of the scab airlines as hiring. You think a college kid is going to want to "research" how good or bad a company is.... for the most part probably no. If the unions came in and stopped the Union Busting at the ground floor (flight school/training), we might get somewhere....

 

Unfortunately, some of the idiots from Flightinfo have migrated over here. A year or two ago this forum was about good information. Now it's just turning into another Flightinfo (which has become totally useless) with a bunch of whining.

 

Its not a result of the 500 hour plus 20 year olds because I am on of those 20 year olds who keeps their mouth shut about stupid comments. Btw i love flight instructing!

 

Good for you....seriously!!

 

that's because you only have a couple hundred hours doing it....

 

what's your idea of a scab airline?

yea those darn fbo's and flight schools are turning out pilots that go directly to jetblue, virgin america and skybus. I'm sure the first new hires at freedom and gojets were from flight schools. throwing blame on new hires is like blaming regional pilots for the bad pay at the majors. (if it's a start up then blame the new hires and chances are they aren't from fbo's and flight schools)