Regional pilot vs. regional pilot
06-05-2008 | 06:41 AM
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Ya I agree, the word scab has been thrown around incorrectly. I guess lack of a better word has driven people to call GoJeters scabs. They didnt cross a line, but they did go to Gojets when TSA was using Gojets as a union buster. Whatever you want to call it Gojets and Freedom is $%^& factory. Mainly GoJets.
The current freedom has nothing to do with that, I'd be surprised if even one of the original "A-Listers" remained on the certificate.
06-05-2008 | 06:44 AM
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Oh I'm not blaming them (and my idea of a scab airline comes right from the union folks of the forum). As far as stopping the busting at the ground floor, it would only make sense to me to help newbies out by coming and talking to them. I have heard nothing but people whine about how new hires don't do enough research..... well bring the research to them because MY specific alma mater does not differentiate between airlines created to whipsaw us and legit unionized ones.
It would not be that hard to do, and would not be expensive...I'm sure they could get enough pilot volunteers to go spend a little time at the home drome now and then. The low-timers might actually listen to a real, live airline pilot.
06-05-2008 | 06:51 AM
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If the thread starter is so against the whining then why did he start a thread entirely devoted to whining... about whining? It seems someone starts a thread like this every few months... It's comical. If you want to flame don't be passive-aggressive about it by starting a thread like this.
I'm not impressed.
I'm not impressed.
wow...ignorance at it's finest. I'm not the one that started the whining on here....nobody HAD to respond. i was simply stating a fact. I didn't "flame" anything on here....some other people did, thich I think proves my initial point EXACTLY. Y'all are right, with attitudes like this our profession is in a graveyard spiral.
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06-05-2008 | 07:03 AM
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I'll tell ya what, when I started flying at my current airline 8 years ago my airline was one of the better ones in terms of contract/pilot experience/not known to be an undercutter/couldnt give a crap about RJ's. we flew out of MEM and only MEM. Maybe when we started flying out of MSP I should have quit and switched to Coex because I wouldnt be labeled a "scab" as some of you think the term applies, since Mesaba was based in MSP. Then when Mesaba took 15 of Pinnacles CRJ's maybe I should have quit Mesaba and gone to Skywest. Then when skywest takes over Expressjet's Laredo to IAH route I should quit and go to......well you get the picture.
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06-05-2008 | 07:16 AM
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wow...ignorance at it's finest. I'm not the one that started the whining on here....nobody HAD to respond. i was simply stating a fact. I didn't "flame" anything on here....some other people did, thich I think proves my initial point EXACTLY. Y'all are right, with attitudes like this our profession is in a graveyard spiral.
06-05-2008 | 07:21 AM
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OK so when my airline signs a new contract and CRJ CA's are making $130 an hour, I shouldnt post our payrate on here if somebody asks because I might be "flaming" the other pilots. Gotcha. you all all the ones inciting. Or when I say expect 14 days off as a 8 year CA I'm flaming because somewhere there is a 9 year CA at another airline with only 13 days off
Maybe if you read my original post in context......do you see crap like this on the Majors board? Fedex saying UPS sucks because Fedex has prettier airplanes? THAT is flaming, not telling people to stop *****ing.
seems like the only ones complaining about my first post are the original whiners i was talking about....
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06-05-2008 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
It would not be that hard to do, and would not be expensive...I'm sure they could get enough pilot volunteers to go spend a little time at the home drome now and then. The low-timers might actually listen to a real, live airline pilot.
That said, ALPA is comprised of members....and members should be able and willing to take some initiative on their own and educate those following behind them with what they need to know to be informed. The easiest way to do this is with graduates of colleges with aviation programs who currently fly for regionals going back and talking to upperclassmen or representing their airline (or ALPA) at their college career fair.
Last October the industry was a college senior's oyster, EVERYBODY was hiring. I requested but was denied a trip drop to represent AWAC at Purdue's AvTech career fair last fall. Considering how much the industry has changed in just the last 8 months, I have made plans to attend in 2008 and will do my best to help those following behind me get the knowledge and info they need to succeed in this clusterfark of an industry.
06-05-2008 | 07:26 AM
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OK so when my airline signs a new contract and CRJ CA's are making $130 an hour, I shouldnt post out payrate on here if somebody asks because I might be "flaming" the other pilots. Gotcha. you all all the ones inciting. Or when I say expect 14 days off as a 8 year CA I'm flaming because somewhere there is a 9 year CA at another airline with only 13 days off
Maybe if you read my original post in context......do you see crap like this on the Majors board? Fedex saying UPS sucks because Fedex has prettier airplanes? THAT is flaming, not telling people to stop *****ing.
Maybe if you read my original post in context......do you see crap like this on the Majors board? Fedex saying UPS sucks because Fedex has prettier airplanes? THAT is flaming, not telling people to stop *****ing.
06-05-2008 | 07:37 AM
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Ok time to vent. There are a vocal few on this board that think that themselves and their regional is God's gift to aviation, along the lines of the Wright Bros., DaVinci and the jet engine. Everyone who has been on this forum for more than a week knows who YOU are, so im not gonna call anyone out by name. All you hear is ..."Express Jet is beter than Skywest because I work there and I have 2000 hours and I make more money than you." Followed by "Skywest is better than Mesaba because I got hired with 1900 hours and I get more days off." Followed by Mesaba is better than Pinnacle because....and on and on and on. THS IS EVEN MORE CHILDISH THAN "MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD". And the most vocal antagonists probably WEREN'T EVEN AT THEIR AIRLINE WHEN THE PILOTS BEFORE THEM WERE FIGHTING FOR A GOOD CONTRACT, they just walked into it as a green new hire. You cannot tell the difference in maturity in these arguments between a 300 hour new hire and a 4000 hour Captain. If you spent half as much time finding faults within your own airline and trying to fix them instead of wasting your energy critiquing others, this industry might actually improve....walk a picket line with your regional brothers, volunteer on your union comittee, etc. But then again nothing makes your balls bigger than flying a big shiny new airplane or hiding behind a screen name bashing others, does it?
No wonder the public doesnt give a flip about us anymore...
No wonder the public doesnt give a flip about us anymore...
Be a man... make a truthful and yet still blunt statement and then back it up with fact and defend yourself against others weak arguments.
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