They don't? Jeez, that makes me feel comfortable. I've seen people cheat and not cheat on writtens and bomb the orals due to gross incompetence.

That being said, I agree with you that cheating is cheating and can also have variations of definitions based on the company. I don't condone cheating in any way, but if it happens, it neither bothers me nor is really worth any thought from me.

 

People really are getting lazy these days. There is a huge difference between a gleim book and a copy of a systems test at an airline. If you think about it, your aircraft manual is almost the same as having a gleim book. The gleim has all the info for passing your test as does the aircraft maunal. You cannot compare having a cheat sheet to a gleim book. Yes, having the test sheet may give you an edge for taking the written, but how are you ever going to pass the rest of training or even recurrent if you don't have good knowledge of what you are doing. Take the time a learn what is required of you! The people we are carrying expect nothing less. Do you want brain surgery from a surgeon who took the easy way through med school?

 

Nope..........just a 20+ year Eagle pilot.

Not trying to insult you, but there's nothing you can teach me about this industry.............mostly because it seems you know nothing yet to teach and again, no offense, but you come off sounding a little like a cheater yourself. Is that a new grad course at Perdue ?

Johnny O.'s looking for talent like yours over at Mesa.............give'em a jingle.

 

Comparing a aircraft manual to a gliem book? No offense but seriously think about that statement for a second.

 

Never said Gleim was cheating, nor did I say anyone specifically here was a cheat. That's what happenes when cocky, misguided youth is allowed to bubble to the surface unchecked.........you make a jackass of yourself assuming things.

I'll agree to your assumption of me being a "high and mighty" blowhard, if equally accept the honor of a cocky punk who operates on emotion and assumption.

Deal ?

BTW, I upgraded in '94 (very young then, so I'm not that old now).

 

Well, it's "Purdue" first off, not like the chickens. Second, though I will never directly say who I work for, I'm not particularly subtle and you can probably figure it out based of some of my past posts. JO is no use to me (nor was he ever).

If you want to think that I sound like a cheater, you're more than welcome to, that draws nothing away from what I do actually know about my airplane and this industry.

I still have yet to see a convincing argument from anybody regarding Gleims versus test booklets.

Hey, one more thing: since, in your own words, you can't learn anything more about this industry, could you at least fix your grammar a little bit?

 

Gleim isn't cheating then, eh? Hmm, not sure I understand any of your arguments then.

And speaking of assuming things, you'd do well to take your own advice rather than start throwing around ad hominem attacks at people simply because they don't agree with you.

EDIT:
And you did actually call both WIPilot and myself cheats.

 

What's wrong with my grammar ?

I said YOU can't teach me anything more about this industry as you came across in your little lecture..............and failed miserably.

The point of my original comments were to highlight that getting a copy of the test is cheating. Using a test booklet that contains some of the questions and answers is not and is a recognized method of test preparation as opposed to an actual illigitimate copy of an actual exam.

If you cant grasp the differences in legality and honor in that, then no one can help you. Hopefully that group of pilots will have their Airman Certificates revoked as applicable.

 

The gleim book is made from required material by the FAA. It is derived from many different sources. The aircraft manual is one source that is made by the manufacturer. It does not come from 50+ different books that we need to learn an aircraft. The manual we carry, is not always the same as the manual that is produced by the factory. The manual we carry DOES have every bit of info about the aircraft. I am not camparing the two as a study guide, I am comparing them by the information they cover and what is required to take a test or perform a function of the everyday operation of the aircraft. I know what I am trying to say is a little confusing unless you think of it as I do. There are many differences between a gleim book and an aircraft manual. The point is that ALL the info you need to pass you test, is in that aircraft manual, just as all the information you need to pass the FAA written is in the gleim manual. Yes there could be more in depth info in an aircraft manual that is not publihed. There is also more info about an ILS in an Instrument flying handbook than there is on the FAA exam. All I am really trying to get across is why is it so hard to actually study for a test, than it is to try to make shortcuts that will eventually catch up with you.

 

You disagreeing with me is fine, just as me disagreeing with you is.

On the attack front, you fired the first shot there buddy.