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06-06-2008 | 04:00 PM
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Then the regional airline is not testing it product before putting it out on the market. If you think a written systems test fully demonstrates knowledge of the systems and procedures I think that is a faulty sense of logic.
We have all taken many orals in our careers and safe to say the oral is usually more stressful than the flight. It is an essential part of the training process to demonstrate what you know and how deep you know the subject.
An airline not doing a checkride oral is setting themselves up for possible problems.
We have all taken many orals in our careers and safe to say the oral is usually more stressful than the flight. It is an essential part of the training process to demonstrate what you know and how deep you know the subject.
An airline not doing a checkride oral is setting themselves up for possible problems.
Then what is your take on the majors doing away with the traditional "oral?" At Delta, instead, they have what's called a Systems Validation Test. Computer generated multiple guess questions. Just you and the computer, no examiner. Combines the written and old fashioned oral. It's FAA approved too. Seems it's the 21st century way of doing it.
06-06-2008 | 07:39 PM
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06-06-2008 | 08:30 PM
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
Not sure what standard you want to see to set industry standard, but this is the direction AQP is going. AQP is a program advanced and approved by the FAA. United, NWA, UPS, and who knows who else, is going in this direction.
I'm not saying it's a good thing, as I believe you need to study harder to pass a real live oral, but I believe AQP is the wave of the future for those who can get the approval for it. Saves money. Airlines like it.
I'm not saying it's a good thing, as I believe you need to study harder to pass a real live oral, but I believe AQP is the wave of the future for those who can get the approval for it. Saves money. Airlines like it.
06-06-2008 | 09:20 PM
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I just don't want the people unfamiliar with AQP to think that it gets rid of orals and check rides.
06-06-2008 | 09:21 PM
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Not sure what standard you want to see to set industry standard, but this is the direction AQP is going. AQP is a program advanced and approved by the FAA. United, NWA, UPS, and who knows who else, is going in this direction.
I'm not saying it's a good thing, as I believe you need to study harder to pass a real live oral, but I believe AQP is the wave of the future for those who can get the approval for it. Saves money. Airlines like it.
I'm not saying it's a good thing, as I believe you need to study harder to pass a real live oral, but I believe AQP is the wave of the future for those who can get the approval for it. Saves money. Airlines like it.
06-06-2008 | 09:25 PM
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I'm not sure. I did it old school.
They say on the F/O side, now, you take a written test insead of an oral. Is that what you are calling "systems validation". If so, it's far removed from an oral. I know the F/O's I talked to did a written test instead of an oral.
They say on the F/O side, now, you take a written test insead of an oral. Is that what you are calling "systems validation". If so, it's far removed from an oral. I know the F/O's I talked to did a written test instead of an oral.
06-06-2008 | 09:29 PM
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From: Nordskog Industries Field Technician
Back to the thread, I believe there was a FedEx class back in like '95 that had to all come back in after ground school and re-take their systems test. Apparently there had been a 'leak.'
06-07-2008 | 02:52 AM
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i know the value of study... the last type oral i took was easy because i spent three months preparing, studying at least an hour a day. for me that is the effort it took...... no problem here with old fashion orals...some MC tests are actually confusing and unclear....questions vague and ambiguous.
06-07-2008 | 04:07 AM
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Not sure what standard you want to see to set industry standard, but this is the direction AQP is going. AQP is a program advanced and approved by the FAA. United, NWA, UPS, and who knows who else, is going in this direction.
I'm not saying it's a good thing, as I believe you need to study harder to pass a real live oral, but I believe AQP is the wave of the future for those who can get the approval for it. Saves money. Airlines like it.
I'm not saying it's a good thing, as I believe you need to study harder to pass a real live oral, but I believe AQP is the wave of the future for those who can get the approval for it. Saves money. Airlines like it.
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