Pinnacle Contract Terminated by Delta in ATL
06-10-2008, 11:03 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by cybourg10
TLH is central time and ATL is eastern, I bet the block time was 1:13. There is no way DAL would block a flight at 13 minutes.
check your geography. TLH is eastern...
06-10-2008, 11:14 AM
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Looking at the ATL-TLH block times for an entire day they range between 1:03 to 1:15, with the Pinnacle flight scheduled for 1:08. There are -200s, -700s, MD88s and the Pinnacle 900 all flying the sector. On the return the block times range from 1:03 to 1:13 with Pinnacle operating the 900 at 1:13.
The point is that they're all relatively close in block times and likely vary per the time of day and traffic congestion. Let's be realisitic here... I don't think DL is to blame for the irrational blocktimes and there is certainly not a 13 minute scheduled block involved. Perhaps it became 13 minutes when the inbound was late... but Pinnacle never has an equipment swap after every turn do they? And certainly Pinnacle and their famous operational infastructure and history of debacles couldn't possibly be to blame could it? Nothing against the pilot group, but aside from the kool-aid drinkers... who at PCL can honestly say Uncle Phil and the crowd at Nonconnah have things under control? Airsuport - do you remember the Christmas debacle of 2004? and 2005?
edit: 13 minutes of airtime? Let's be clear as to what that post on your website was really talking about. Isn't that the dispatchers fault for poor planning? Does DL do Pinnacles dispatching for the ATL operation? Sounds like Pinnacle dispatch screwed up on this one! When are the kool-aid drunks going to admit on this website that PCL could possibly have screwed up here? How does this snippet of information gleaned from airlinkpilots.com account for DL screwing Pinnacle? Despite the pilot groups best efforts, you all are still dealing with the ineptitude of Nonconnah. PCL cheerleaders: your company has a history of poor disptachers, infastructure and famous debacles. Stop trying to defend your awful mgmt and allow them to take some responsibility here!
The point is that they're all relatively close in block times and likely vary per the time of day and traffic congestion. Let's be realisitic here... I don't think DL is to blame for the irrational blocktimes and there is certainly not a 13 minute scheduled block involved. Perhaps it became 13 minutes when the inbound was late... but Pinnacle never has an equipment swap after every turn do they? And certainly Pinnacle and their famous operational infastructure and history of debacles couldn't possibly be to blame could it? Nothing against the pilot group, but aside from the kool-aid drinkers... who at PCL can honestly say Uncle Phil and the crowd at Nonconnah have things under control? Airsuport - do you remember the Christmas debacle of 2004? and 2005?
edit: 13 minutes of airtime? Let's be clear as to what that post on your website was really talking about. Isn't that the dispatchers fault for poor planning? Does DL do Pinnacles dispatching for the ATL operation? Sounds like Pinnacle dispatch screwed up on this one! When are the kool-aid drunks going to admit on this website that PCL could possibly have screwed up here? How does this snippet of information gleaned from airlinkpilots.com account for DL screwing Pinnacle? Despite the pilot groups best efforts, you all are still dealing with the ineptitude of Nonconnah. PCL cheerleaders: your company has a history of poor disptachers, infastructure and famous debacles. Stop trying to defend your awful mgmt and allow them to take some responsibility here!
Last edited by bored; 06-10-2008 at 11:34 AM.
06-10-2008, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bored
Looking at the ATL-TLH block times for an entire day they range between 1:03 to 1:15, with the Pinnacle flight scheduled for 1:08. There are -200s, -700s, MD88s and the Pinnacle 900 all flying the sector. On the return the block times range from 1:03 to 1:13 with Pinnacle operating the 900 at 1:13.
The point is that they're all relatively close in block times and likely vary per the time of day and traffic congestion. Let's be realisitic here... I don't think DL is to blame for the irrational blocktimes and there is certainly not a 13 minute scheduled block involved. Perhaps it became 13 minutes when the inbound was late... but Pinnacle never has an equipment swap after every turn do they? And certainly Pinnacle and their famous operational infastructure and history of debacles couldn't possibly be to blame could it? Nothing against the pilot group, but aside from the kool-aid drinkers... who at PCL can honestly say Uncle Phil and the crowd at Nonconnah have things under control? Airsuport - do you remember the Christmas debacle of 2004? and 2005?
The point is that they're all relatively close in block times and likely vary per the time of day and traffic congestion. Let's be realisitic here... I don't think DL is to blame for the irrational blocktimes and there is certainly not a 13 minute scheduled block involved. Perhaps it became 13 minutes when the inbound was late... but Pinnacle never has an equipment swap after every turn do they? And certainly Pinnacle and their famous operational infastructure and history of debacles couldn't possibly be to blame could it? Nothing against the pilot group, but aside from the kool-aid drinkers... who at PCL can honestly say Uncle Phil and the crowd at Nonconnah have things under control? Airsuport - do you remember the Christmas debacle of 2004? and 2005?
and yes they swap equipment all the time.
and no one thinks that uncle phil has everything under control. and yes i remember the debacle of 2005. i was brand new, and still remember that they had no idea which outstation i was at.
i did a little research and you were wrong about how the schedules are built on the delta side. yes at mesaba compass and pinnacle nwa give us the flights and we have to build them. it isn't like that on the delta side. they have full control over the planes, and times. just think what kind of mess it would make on the nwa side if they did all the line building for us. and then also did all the plane assignements. it would be a mess.
06-10-2008, 11:34 AM
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I must have miss read; I thought that we were talking about a 13 minute turn, not a 13 minute FLT. That's rather unbelievable. I'm not saying that it's not true but maybe he miss typed it? I don't know but 13 minutes isn't enough time to block out and take off in ATL. The shortest FLT we have in ATL is GSP and it’s about 25 minutes FLT time, even it has a block time of around an hour.
06-10-2008, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
I must have miss read; I thought that we were talking about a 13 minute turn, not a 13 minute FLT. That's rather unbelievable. I'm not saying that it's not true but maybe he miss typed it? I don't know but 13 minutes isn't enough time to block out and take off in ATL. The shortest FLT we have in ATL is GSP and it’s about 25 minutes FLT time, even it has a block time of around an hour.
13 minutes was his scheduled flight time.
06-10-2008, 11:40 AM
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You're right airsupport... I didn't fly the flight. But come on dude, if you're going to tell us something from airlinkpilots.com, tell us the whole story. The Captain was complaining about 13 minutes AIRTIME as per his release. Not block time. Not marketing time. Unless Delta does the dispatching for 9E, could it be that this is Pinnacles fault? This is one isolated incident, but we all know that PCL has a horrible dispatcher problem.
As per how DL runs the tail routing compared to NWA... I admitted I didn't know how DL did it in the very beginning. Interesting to know they totally control your tail routing, crew scheduling and paring generations.
As per how DL runs the tail routing compared to NWA... I admitted I didn't know how DL did it in the very beginning. Interesting to know they totally control your tail routing, crew scheduling and paring generations.
06-10-2008, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bored
You're right airsupport... I didn't fly the flight. But come on dude, if you're going to tell us something from airlinkpilots.com, tell us the whole story. The Captain was complaining about 13 minutes AIRTIME as per his release. Not block time. Not marketing time. Unless Delta does the dispatching for 9E, could it be that this is Pinnacles fault? This is one isolated incident, but we all know that PCL has a horrible dispatcher problem.
As per how DL runs the tail routing compared to NWA... I admitted I didn't know how DL did it in the very beginning. Interesting to know they totally control your tail routing, crew scheduling and paring generations.
As per how DL runs the tail routing compared to NWA... I admitted I didn't know how DL did it in the very beginning. Interesting to know they totally control your tail routing, crew scheduling and paring generations.
and yeah i am not saying the company doesn't have any blame. but a fighting chance would have been nice.
in the end if they close atlanta we will just place our 900's somewhere else. that is the plane the majors want right now. what would suck is if they placed them at colgan. that would not be cool. otherwise bring the crews back over here. every base could use their pilots back anyway.
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