Pinnacle Contract Terminated by Delta in ATL

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06-10-2008, 07:05 AM

#21

SaltyDog

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Originally Posted by av8sean

Mesa and Pinnacle WERE meeting the terms of their contracts... You can't blame Mesa or Pinnacle for cancellations when you pro-actively cancel their flights in order to get mainline out. In the case with Pinnacle, they were also making them fly to St. Croix which required deadheading a double crew to fly the plane back, as well as the fact that Pinnacle planes aren't overwater certified - the indirect routings often caused fuel diversions.

As an outside observer, who is writing these contracts then for the regional partner?? Pinnacle certainly didn't cover the details of specific flying and left themselves exposed in a bad busines contract. If this is the case, appears like DAL wrote something they believe is airtight, Why? They dropped Mesa, Mesa gets injunction, DAL obviously believes they will prevail in court against Mesa because they are doing it again and clearly aren't worried about Pinnacle getting an injuction. The DAL lawyers must feel pretty confident about their end of the contract. No excuses in business, ooops, they got us on that one stuff.
I hope you all do OK, but sounds like management signing off on a poor contract and DAL knows exactly what they want. Pilots scrogged by bad management.

06-10-2008, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by andy171773

It seems that Delta just straight up is trying to reduce the amount of their regional partners. I don't think it's a matter of them playing "scare tactics" or using "smoke and mirrors". Delta just plain doesn't want "elevendy-billion" regionals flying for it anymore.

the reason i say smoke and mirrors is because of this. we have 16 crj 900's we have bought painted in delta colors on their way. i am sure if we went to nwa with our own planes they could find some use for them since it is legal under the contract we have with nwa. then at the end of the year we when dal/nwa merge we will once again be flying for delta, and will still have our planes in dal colors. so they terminate the contract we have with them (which i don't think will happen) but in the end we will still be flying for them, just maybe not out of ATL.

06-10-2008, 07:08 AM

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I hate to see any pilot lose their job. Best of luck to everyone at Pinnacle.

That being said, I truly do not believe that Delta would be doing this if they did not feel that they would be successful in the process. Again, good luck to everyone at Pinnacle. I personally know lots of pilots over there!

Airsupport -- you should kick it down a notch just a bit. Noone is pointing fingers at you or trying to rub anything in your face. Good luck, guy. Nevermind, I see you edited your original post.

06-10-2008, 07:11 AM

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Airsupport -- you should kick it down a notch just a bit. Noone is pointing fingers at you or trying to rub anything in your face. Good luck, guy.

trust me my friend i am not getting riled up over this. i don't fly the 900, i don't live in atl, and i am getting up in the seniority list so i am not "too" worried about being furloughed, (there are about 800 pilots below me). i was just correcting the guys who kept saying that delta owned the planes.

and i dont think anyone is going to lose their job over this. we only have 72 pilots in atl.

06-10-2008, 07:11 AM

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Isn't it funny that our company...as we speak...are in contract talks...I smell a TA coming...hope I didn't jinx anything!!!

You heard it first here folks!!!

06-10-2008, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Airsupport

I don't know, I hope that works out. But DL/NW management are already in bed together. If DL wants Pinnacle out, I highly doubt it would then let it's future merger partner to go and make their own deal (unless it's extremely favorable to the airline).

What we can all take away from this is that NO regional carrier is safe right now. Everyone, even the financial sector/investors, thought Pinnacles deal was rock solid and DL would never touch it. Delta knows what they're trying to do(at least they should...) and I cannot see them making these decisions (which could end up financially backfiring BIG TIME) unless they're extremely confident in an outcome in their favor.

06-10-2008, 07:14 AM

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I can't believe that everyone says they didn't see this coming.

IT ROLLS DOWN HILL!!!

This is just the start. The majors and legacy carriers have been hammered by fuel and they honsetly believe that they can't raise prices anymore with out parking more aircraft and reducing thier OWN companies even further.

06-10-2008, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by andy171773

What we can all take away from this is that NO regional carrier is safe right now. Everyone, even the financial sector/investors, thought Pinnacles deal was rock solid and DL would never touch it. Delta knows what they're trying to do(at least they should...) and I cannot see them making these decisions (which could end up financially backfiring BIG TIME) unless they're extremely confident in an outcome in their favor.

you are right no one is safe. and everyone like you said thought that we were the safest.. oh well i will just keep going to work as little as possible till they finally say my services are not required.

06-10-2008, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Past V1

Isn't it funny that our company...as we speak...are in contract talks...I smell a TA coming...hope I didn't jinx anything!!!

You heard it first here folks!!!

yeah it is kind of interesting that they are negotiating right now as we speak as this comes down the pipe. i heard things went good yesturday, so hopefully tonight we hear something... and yes you better not have jinxed it!!!

06-10-2008, 07:17 AM

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I am hearing this happened in part because the New DAL (NWA/DAL) will have dc9's flying out of atl to replace a bunch of regional jets with the upcoming capacity reductions. Good luck guys we all will need it with the upcoming changes to our industry.