Pinnacle Contract Terminated by Delta in ATL
06-10-2008, 07:57 AM
#54
I have shiny jet syndrome
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Pinnacle Pilots:
I can sympathize with you. Your management is going to blame this on you, even though it is their failure. We at Comair played this same game just a year or two ago while we were in contract negotiations, however ours was under the threat of bankruptcy and an 1113 process to have our contract tossed. When we lost 30+ airplanes and even more through a sham RFP that stripped us of 16 CRJ 700s, it did not help our contract situation. We, the pilots, were blamed for that and the company spun it in a way that made the rest of the employee groups hate us.
Please know that this is not the pilots fault, as much as your management probably will tell you it is. It is their failure, however, unfortunately YOU will pay the ultimate price with your quality of life, or jobs, for THEIR failure. You have done all you can in flying from Point A to Point B as safely as possible. It is management's responsibility to staff the airline properly, have the aircraft in good working condition and provide crews with the tools they need to operate safely, and if at all possible, on time.
If, ultimately, you see ASA or Comair or Skywest or Shuttle America flying airplanes on routes that you used to fly, do not blame the pilots flying those airplanes. Vent all of your frustration towards your management and toward Delta management. Those pilots have just as much control over that flying as you did.
Someone once told me that "The best friend that an airline pilot has is another airline pilot." I happen to agree with that statement. Management, however, knows this and often tries to exploit that notion and divide pilot groups amongst each other by "whipsawing" one group against another. If we allow this to happen, then they have ultimately won.
Good luck to all of you at Pinnacle and all of us in the industry.
I can sympathize with you. Your management is going to blame this on you, even though it is their failure. We at Comair played this same game just a year or two ago while we were in contract negotiations, however ours was under the threat of bankruptcy and an 1113 process to have our contract tossed. When we lost 30+ airplanes and even more through a sham RFP that stripped us of 16 CRJ 700s, it did not help our contract situation. We, the pilots, were blamed for that and the company spun it in a way that made the rest of the employee groups hate us.
Please know that this is not the pilots fault, as much as your management probably will tell you it is. It is their failure, however, unfortunately YOU will pay the ultimate price with your quality of life, or jobs, for THEIR failure. You have done all you can in flying from Point A to Point B as safely as possible. It is management's responsibility to staff the airline properly, have the aircraft in good working condition and provide crews with the tools they need to operate safely, and if at all possible, on time.
If, ultimately, you see ASA or Comair or Skywest or Shuttle America flying airplanes on routes that you used to fly, do not blame the pilots flying those airplanes. Vent all of your frustration towards your management and toward Delta management. Those pilots have just as much control over that flying as you did.
Someone once told me that "The best friend that an airline pilot has is another airline pilot." I happen to agree with that statement. Management, however, knows this and often tries to exploit that notion and divide pilot groups amongst each other by "whipsawing" one group against another. If we allow this to happen, then they have ultimately won.
Good luck to all of you at Pinnacle and all of us in the industry.
06-10-2008, 07:58 AM
#55
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: CL-65 captain
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
I don't have Pinnacle's on time performance but I can say that I use them to commute to and from DTW almost every week and I can honestly say that their on time performance on the flights I have been on is terrible. I would say that less than 20% arrive within 15 minutes and less than 1% arrive at or prior to scheduled arrival. Then once you are at the gate it takes another 5-15 minutes just to get parked!
06-10-2008, 07:59 AM
#56
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Home with my family playing with my daughter as much as possible
Posts: 591
Originally Posted by RJtrashPilot
Pinnacle Pilots:
I can sympathize with you. Your management is going to blame this on you, even though it is their failure. We at Comair played this same game just a year or two ago while we were in contract negotiations, however ours was under the threat of bankruptcy and an 1113 process to have our contract tossed. When we lost 30+ airplanes and even more through a sham RFP that stripped us of 16 CRJ 700s, it did not help our contract situation. We, the pilots, were blamed for that and the company spun it in a way that made the rest of the employee groups hate us.
Please know that this is not the pilots fault, as much as your management probably will tell you it is. It is their failure, however, unfortunately YOU will pay the ultimate price with your quality of life, or jobs, for THEIR failure. You have done all you can in flying from Point A to Point B as safely as possible. It is management's responsibility to staff the airline properly, have the aircraft in good working condition and provide crews with the tools they need to operate safely, and if at all possible, on time.
If, ultimately, you see ASA or Comair or Skywest or Shuttle America flying airplanes on routes that you used to fly, do not blame the pilots flying those airplanes. Vent all of your frustration towards your management and toward Delta management. Those pilots have just as much control over that flying as you did.
Someone once told me that "The best friend that an airline pilot has is another airline pilot." I happen to agree with that statement. Management, however, knows this and often tries to exploit that notion and divide pilot groups amongst each other by "whipsawing" one group against another. If we allow this to happen, then they have ultimately won.
Good luck to all of you at Pinnacle and all of us in the industry.
I can sympathize with you. Your management is going to blame this on you, even though it is their failure. We at Comair played this same game just a year or two ago while we were in contract negotiations, however ours was under the threat of bankruptcy and an 1113 process to have our contract tossed. When we lost 30+ airplanes and even more through a sham RFP that stripped us of 16 CRJ 700s, it did not help our contract situation. We, the pilots, were blamed for that and the company spun it in a way that made the rest of the employee groups hate us.
Please know that this is not the pilots fault, as much as your management probably will tell you it is. It is their failure, however, unfortunately YOU will pay the ultimate price with your quality of life, or jobs, for THEIR failure. You have done all you can in flying from Point A to Point B as safely as possible. It is management's responsibility to staff the airline properly, have the aircraft in good working condition and provide crews with the tools they need to operate safely, and if at all possible, on time.
If, ultimately, you see ASA or Comair or Skywest or Shuttle America flying airplanes on routes that you used to fly, do not blame the pilots flying those airplanes. Vent all of your frustration towards your management and toward Delta management. Those pilots have just as much control over that flying as you did.
Someone once told me that "The best friend that an airline pilot has is another airline pilot." I happen to agree with that statement. Management, however, knows this and often tries to exploit that notion and divide pilot groups amongst each other by "whipsawing" one group against another. If we allow this to happen, then they have ultimately won.
Good luck to all of you at Pinnacle and all of us in the industry.
06-10-2008, 08:00 AM
#57
Gear handle manipulator
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: B-737 First officer
Posts: 246
Originally Posted by nicholasblonde
Uhh...crew sched and dispatch and mx?
*Edit* I do not wish for Pinnacle to lose any flying BTW.
06-10-2008, 08:03 AM
#58
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,197
Delta stated when coming out of BK that they wanted to reduced the regional carriers that fly for them from 9 to 3 or 4 carriers.
Also, just because someone can do it cheaper doesn't mean they are more profitable. Look at Mesa...... THEY SUCK! You pay for what you get. Delta paid for cheap labor and they got cheap service. Some of the other carriers may have higher cost but better all around perfomance and profits.
Also, just because someone can do it cheaper doesn't mean they are more profitable. Look at Mesa...... THEY SUCK! You pay for what you get. Delta paid for cheap labor and they got cheap service. Some of the other carriers may have higher cost but better all around perfomance and profits.
06-10-2008, 08:03 AM
#59
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Hey PNCL stock is dropping....wanna make a quick buck....I never say buy airline....BUT BUY PNCL NOW!!!!! and maybe sell a month from now......FAST MONEY.....PPPECHOOOWWW!!!!
06-10-2008, 08:05 AM
#60
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Position: CL-65 captain
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Originally Posted by SmoothLanderJ
Hey im not pointing fingers at anyone......but, I did observe a pinnacle flight this morning that was scheduled to leave at 8:19, just begin to board at 8:15....the crew showed up something like 8:10, needless to say they didnt get out on time.
*Edit* I do not wish for Pinnacle to lose any flying BTW.
*Edit* I do not wish for Pinnacle to lose any flying BTW.
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