You guys are unbelievable. A company just lost a ton of flying and you're already talking about who's going to pick it up when guys hit the street and get displaced. Jackals.

What goes around comes around...........

They are making noises about banning turboprops from the main concourse, and sending them back to the commuter pad. Actually I think their REAL motive is to save prima dona angellinos from riding on uncomfortable puddle-jumpers and RJ's :rolleyes:

Sorry to hear the news, XJTers. I rode on the SEA-LAX run a couple of times and really enjoyed the service. Best of luck to you; we all need it.

I don't quite understand this statement.

The reason why LAX wants us back in the commuter pad is so US can move over making more room for SWA.

From everything I've read, the 737-700s will be focused on thin Latin American routes, although the initial schedules have the aircraft doing ATL/CVG-SNA. I hadn't heard anything about the -700s doing any West Coast stuff other than that.

Anyway, I'm really hoping what ends up happening is that SkyWest gets all of the XJet routes, but loses some of its eastern ops in the process, then Comair picks them up, Art calls me and gives me a class date before I sink into oblivion, I start training on the CRJ and finish my 300 hours of IOE, and spend the next 20 years of my life as an F/O. Because that would be a heck of a lot better than the outlook right now!

u serious?:confused:

I hope you never get hired and continue to come on here an wish you were a "CRJ" wanabe........, now back to Steep turns............wait, let me guess you don't even have your CFI because you don't need it you paid for a CRJ course?

Before you get too involved in this business, you might want to check that mentality. It won't serve you well later down the road, unless want to work at GoJets.

wow..how do you really feel? haha. awesome

What ever happened to attacking the issue... not the poster. Not that his position should be defended.

I see, I thought the New York area was bad, but the west coast is just as bad, if not worse with "I can't believe how small this plane is" comments.

Especially on the LAX-SFO stuff, good grief.

Of course, nothing beats the dirty/saggy jean, stained wife beater wearing, beer belly, trucker hat guy going to (insert LA, AL, MS, FL, AR, OK, West Texas po dunk) airport complaining about the size of the aircraft with a southern drawl.

They don't want to fly on a little plane, but they will if it means saving $50 on a round trip. Thats a lot of PBR...

Wow, you need to chill. You're taking what I said in completely the wrong way. OBVIOUSLY I don't want to see more pilots on the street. When I said what I "hoped" would happen was what I "thought" would happen. Take it easy. BTW, you got that mixed up. Yes, I do have my CFI, and no, I didn't take a CRJ course.

What mentality is that? My sarcasm?

The guys that are supposed to know didn't as of 7:15 this morning.

At least it's not "take the plane to IAH then turn in your badge."

The LAX flying is being axed permanently. No replacement carrier needed.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,2440776.story

Delta to cut service from LAX to 13 cities
The service is supplied under contract with the carrier by ExpressJet Airlines.
By Peter Pae, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
2:55 PM PDT, July 3, 2008
In another blow to passengers who use Los Angeles International Airport, Delta Air Lines said today it would discontinue nonstop service to 13 cities from LAX, including flights to Seattle, Portland and Phoenix.

The flights to be halted are operated by ExpressJet Airlines under a contract that Delta said would end Sept. 1. Delta said that it and ExpressJet agreed to terminate the contract because of high fuel costs and declining demand.

The cutback in the regional service, which was operated under the "Delta Connection" name, will come on top of previously announced plans by Delta to slash about 13% of its flights at LAX including nonstop service to Boston; Hartford, Conn.; and Columbus, Ohio.

Together, they would be the deepest cuts so far at LAX, which had managed to escape the brunt of an industrywide move to ground flights as a way to cope with escalating fuel prices.

Delta, with 93 daily departures, is the fourth-largest carrier at LAX. That figure is expected to drop to about 60 by Labor Day.

Passengers can expect higher fares and fewer options as a result of the cutbacks, which could leave at least one city, Eugene, Ore., without nonstop service from LAX.

The service cuts also will bring to an end Delta's ambitious plans to expand at LAX, making the largest airport in Southern California one of its major hubs.

With the end of the ExpressJet service agreement, Delta will no longer fly to smaller cities such as Reno, Tucson and Boise, Idaho, from LAX.

Large carriers often use smaller airlines such as ExpressJet to fly routes that typically don't have the passenger volume to support the use of larger planes. ExpressJet mostly smaller Embraer ERJ-145 twin-engine jets that seat about 50 passengers compared with the jetliners holding 150 to 400 passengers that are operated by major airlines.

Delta said the service contract with ExpressJet also includes flights out of Salt Lake City, but the airline said it will sign another carrier to fly them. Delta said it will provide a refund or rebook customers whose scheduled flights are affected by the changes.

Shares of Atlanta-based Delta rose 5 cents Thursday to $4.95.

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Sometimes it goes the other way.... I once had a guy thank me for the "nice flight in the DC-9". (It was a CRJ-200.)

no the mentality of "screw those guys at least i will get my job" mentality that you exhibited in your post. People have families and have a real need for those paychecks that are coming in... wishing ill will upon another member of your profession is just a little bit of karma that will come right back around to you. This isn't little league anymore... its peoples careers, families, and livelihoods.

Not always southern drawls...I used to get the same reaction going into AVP. People expect 747's no matter how po-dunk.

That's probably going to bother some people.

no worries brother, If you have been looking at these boards long enough, you would know I get carried away at times :)

Well if I read it correctly, Delta and XJT both agreed to this. So I guess as I read your post, it seems that you make that statement as if somebody "stole your flying", which isn't the case. Am I wrong?

Jeez ladies calm down! He's just a kid LoL

I feel for the XJT men and women. Your company has managed to weather so may storms it' s amazing that your still standing. I applaud you guy's. I graduated from Kent State University, and have many alumni at EJT, so I really have an empathy for what your going though. I really do hope you all fare well. It's really sad to see a great company with such inovative ideas to stay competitive get bounced around the way you guys have beeen.
For those of you at other airlines lets wish the men and women at XJT the best, and let's extend that to all air carriers as well.
I still believe you guys have a winning concept, and I hope time will grant you that opportunity to show the industry that winning attitude.

All the best!!!!

You must be a Skywest God.

Oh darn, you blew my cover :rolleyes:

Do you honestly think I was "wishing ill" upon anyone? If so, you're way off base. I've taken hits from this industry before, so I know what it's like. So for you to tell me that I wish the same for others is ridiculous. If any XJet pilots are in danger of losing their jobs because of this contract termination, then I only wish the best for them. I'm not sitting here thinking, "Hell yeah! Now I'll get my shot at flying the CRJ!"

No prob, man. I can get carried away on occasion too, especially when I feel like I'm being attacked for a misunderstanding ;)

The answer to all of this is with the legacy carriers MEC's. They need to lay down the law to management that they get no more than 2 regionals that work on behalf of XXX. Then legacy carrier XXX gets flow back and flow through with those regionals.

I'm sure, like always, the legacy pilots will come back with the 'ol, "They'll want us to give up something to get that and we don't want to do it."

Ok, enjoy the furloughs while the 4-8 regionals take up the flying.

This started at the top and it must end with the legacy pilots. This will, in fact, weed out some regionals but that has needed to happen for a long time now.

your saying Comair is to be cut? or stay? Delta needs someone to feed JFnk

Comair is at the top of the list of STAYING if you look at my post again. I fully expect the wholly owns to stick around for flying but I could see them spun off in time.


[Quote] We can almost assure these (off the top of my head)

-Comair
-XJ (Mesaba)
-Compass

I think he was saying that outside of the wholly owned Comair and soon Mesaba and Compass those listed would be the contract DCI carriers. Delta will just continue to treat us like a red-headed stepchild.

Thanks, mach. You sound like a class act. Where are you at now?

It was inevitable, all the flights that I jumped on were mostly empty, including the short flights. I also heard from a buddy that the Mexico flights weren't any better. You can't make any money with 25 Pax on a 145 It's unfortunate, DAL XJ really had the best service, unfortunately service doesn't go with profits these days.

Don't forget SKYW is still making money for now at least

Only as long as DAL and UAL stay out of BK.

I can see what you are saying- a little confusion with multiple lists and such. I do NOT think the "New Delta" will be able to get by with only Comair, Mesaba, and Compass. On the Delta side Skywest and ASA will remain (contracts + amount of flying). Republic would conceivably stay due to the -170's. Pinnacle does over 30% of NWA's domestic feed and are the only non-wholly owned on the NWA side. I can see PNCL's -900 options being used and the contract provision to swap -200's for -900's (meaning no net gain of airframes but more -900's and less -200's in the fleet makeup). XJT will be under continental only.

Did I miss anybody?

so who is hiring now anyways....

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