Delta Terminates Xjt......sept 1, 2008
 

Delta and ExpressJet Announce Plans to Mutually Terminate Flying Agreement
Customers of impacted flights are eligible for rebooking
ATLANTA, July 3, 2008 – Delta (NYSE: DAL) and ExpressJet have mutually agreed to cease all ExpressJet Delta Connection operations as of Sept. 1, 2008.
ExpressJet currently operates 23 ERJ-145 aircraft for Delta Connection on flights that primarily operate out of Los Angeles and Salt Lake City. Delta intends to award a portion of this flying, including all routes currently operated by ExpressJet at its Salt Lake City hub, to another Delta Connection carrier. Delta will rebook customers whose scheduled service is impacted by these changes.
“We are pleased to be able to reach a mutual agreement on the termination of our partnership with ExpressJet,” said Don Bornhorst, senior vice president – Delta Connection. “While we expect minimal impact to customers, Delta will work to ensure that alternate transportation options are arranged as quickly as possible.”
"With the losses we were experiencing from our Delta pro-rate flying combined with our ability to return aircraft to the lessor, this termination of service is in the best interest of our company," said Jim Ream, ExpressJet President and Chief Executive Officer.
After Sept. 1, ExpressJet will retain the 23 ERJ-145 aircraft it currently flies Delta Connection.
Customers with impacted flights scheduled on ExpressJet will be notified by Delta reservations agents and offered alternate flights or refunds if their flights have been cancelled. Customers can also contact Delta directly at 1-800-221-1212.
Delta Air Lines operates service to more worldwide destinations than any airline with Delta and Delta Connection flights to 327 destinations in 62 countries. Delta has added more international capacity than any major U.S. airline during the last two years and is the leader across the Atlantic with flights to 44 trans-Atlantic markets. To Latin America and the Caribbean, Delta offers 609 weekly flights to 62 destinations. Delta's marketing alliances also allow customers to earn and redeem SkyMiles on more than 16,000 flights offered by SkyTeam and other partners. Delta is a founding member of SkyTeam, a global airline alliance that provides customers with extensive worldwide destinations, flights and services. Including its SkyTeam and worldwide codeshare partners, Delta offers flights to 499 worldwide destinations in 105 countries. Customers can check in for flights, print boarding passes and check flight status at delta.com.


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Sorry to hear that. Losing flying is no good for anybody.

Maybe I missed something but I was under the impression this Xjt deal was designed to only be short term during the summer flying months, so this should be simply the business deal working its way to completion?

Am I wrong here?

Except for Skywest.

Sorry! Had to say it.

How many regionals are they planning on dropping? :eek:

MY apologies to the XJT folk, It is a shame that the better paying regional is getting the ax.

As many as they can.

I think they wanted to get down to four-ish. But I think 5-6 is more realistic unless they want to fight some ugly contract battles.

And that's pre-merger...who knows where the red-tails will fit in?

Why don't you back that up?? And, like has been mentioned before, the DL flying was originally short-term in duration anyway. Nothing unexpected here. And don't forget either, that many of XJet's routes were historically SKW's. I know I'm not alone when I say we're sorry to see 'em go...

Doesn’t really sound like they lost it.

I’m truly sorry to say it, but it looks like here soon, all of you west coast XJTr’s will be back to the cross-country commute. It’s too bad, I’ve had quite of few of you jump my FLT’s and I always enjoyed talking with you.

Best of luck guys.

??? so your saying xjt isnt one of the better paying regionals? because thats what he was saying. Yes you are right some of the routes were skw routes prior to expressjets 2 yr deal but we did start flying a lot more out of SLC recently. Nothing unexpected? it was supposed to go till June of 09! Many of those routes wont be replaced by another regional either. Delta canceled service to a lot of places out of LAX recently.

Sorry to see that we couldnt keep the 10 airplane cpa till june of 09 but it appears we left on good terms with delta management. Maybe in better times they will remember us.

Can Mesaba or Compass expand fast enough to pick up any of this flying ?

I am not a MOD but I will say this:

Lets keep the thread on topic and not bash all the regionals. We know that everyone's regional is the best, lets keep to the topic.. It seems that threads keep getting closed with these topic lines because we all claim to be ALPA and Pro-Union and then try and take each other's heads off.


This was a planned reduction (as a Xjt'r confirmed) so this is business as usual and is being conveyed to the public. DL has publicly said they want 4, yes FOUR regionals POST MERGER. This does NOT count the wholly owned of Comair, Mesaba, and Compass. So look at the current list and you can see where this is going. XJT was planned and well known about as far as coming off the list.

We can almost assure these (off the top of my head)

-Comair
-XJ (Mesaba)
-Compass

1. Republic (170's)
2. Skywest
3. ASA
4.? Pinnacle- the -200's are in the contract with merger protection, -900's are a maybe and we will leave it at that. We did get new routes posted on DL for flying in September so who knows about July 31st.



Contenders (with contracts I may add)
Pinnacle (900's)
Mesa (injunction/contract/performance)

I know I am missing some... which ones?

Doubt it. Only because the flying is out of SLC AND the number of planes at a wholly owned (XJ and Compass) are tied in scope to NWA mainline and as far as it is currently in the contract the numbers cannot go above the initial order UNTIL more mainline jets or one/both are spun off. Now as far as post merger- anybody have the scope language in the latest TA?

I'd say it's almost a forgone conclusion that DAL will not enter into a new capacity agreement for this....

The SLC will go to SKW. Almost zero chance that Inc. will open an ASA base in SLC.

The LAX flying will probably go to SKW...this has been in the works for several years, pending relief from UAL's non-compete clause at LAX (relief was granted a few months ago). The XJT LAX flying appeared temporary from the get-go to anyone who was paying attention...presumably there was always a chance that it could become permanent if it worked out for both parties, and if industry conditions were favorable.

Why SKW? DAL has contractual obligations to SKW/ASA for a certain amount of flying, but they need to do across-the-board RJ reductions. This way they can reduce net system flying, including some no-longer-needed SKW segments in the west, but still keep SKW/ASA at contract levels.

It's remotely possible that they could move another DCI carrier into LAX for the same reason, to maintain contractual minimum flying.

SkyWest/ASA could be considered one company....just like you refer Republic, instead of CHQ, and Shuttle America seperatly.

It could be, but is that how DAL management views it? Their opinion is the only one that matters in this case. My understanding was that they counted SKW and ASA as two regionals.

Nope. We all know that XJT is arguably the best paying regional. My response to moon was invoked because, read between the lines, his post suggested SkyWest to be an undercutter in this case...completely ridiculous and unnecessary.

I didn't read it that way. In no way did he hint, suggest, or otherwise give any clue to that fact, as true as it may or may not be.

You just read too much into it or that is what you wanted to read into it.

Oh my god...what did I mean by this post? Don't read too much into it now or try to read between the lines.
Sometimes people just mean what they say and say what they mean. I personally know BlueMoon, and he is a straight shooter. If he wanted to talk smack about Skywest, he would have come out and done so.

Maybe ;) But he sounded sore over it nonetheless...!

WHAT?? Pick up what flying???? Its not like we can not complete the task, they don't want that flying anymore...............

Our contract was simply the easiest and least expens:mad:ive one to terminate. We will not be the only regional Delta cuts flying from. Delta still has to pay the leases on the 10 aircraft for another 11 months. This will not change the amount of potential furloughs, just the timing of them, however we do have 115 +/- LAX CA's & 115+/- LAX F/O's that need a new home.

Nothing like getting kicked when your down. This is going to be a tough time for everyone


(Our company was notified of this yesterday afternoon)

bent over and screwed up the as$, as usual.

Will the CAL contract offset some of this loss? Or is the company losing more flying than its gaining?

Another thread getting turned into the 'My $hitty airline is better than your $hitty airline' topic...

http://www.tvsa.co.za/forum/images/s.../deadhorse.gif

Reuters doesn't paint it that way. Notice the bolded text.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) and ExpressJet Holdings Inc (XJT.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) said on Thursday they had ended the agreement under which ExpressJet provided Delta with some regional flights.

ExpressJet Delta Connection, chiefly operating out of Los Angeles and Salt Lake City, will cease by September 1, the airlines said.

ExpressJet operates 23 Embraer (EMBR3.SA: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) ERJ-145 aircraft for Delta, and will keep those aircraft after September 1. Delta said it plans to award a portion of the routes ExpressJet flies to another, unnamed carrier.
"With the losses we were experiencing from our Delta pro-rate flying combined with our ability to return aircraft to the lessor, this termination of service is in the best interest of our company," said Jim Ream, ExpressJet's Chief Executive, in a statement.

Delta, which is pruning its network as fuel hits record highs, is also planning to terminate similar regional flying contracts with Pinnacle Airlines Corp (PNCL.O: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) and a unit of Mesa Air Group Inc (MESA.O: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz). Both Pinnacle and Mesa are protesting Delta's decision.

(Reporting by Bill Rigby; Editing by Tim Dobbyn)

Well, if CAL canceled the CPA, like they threatened, I guess this could be considered an "offset", but the fact of the matter is, it was expected to end just 11 months later then it is,

When it rains it pours I guess...........

Regardless, any type of flying loss is a bad one.

Hopefully the government will step in and do something about runaway oil speculation soon. Not sure how much more this industry can take.

You guys are arguing for no reason you know.....we are ALL going to be out of a job real soon. Oil is not going down....it's going up. No airline still in business is making money, they are loosing millions a day. How long do you really think we have?

SWA is...............

The problem there is other airlines try to emulate them (fare wise), yet tthey are not hedged nearly as well..........end result=what you see today, airlines pricing themselves into bankruptcy becuase they are unwilling/unable to pass the cost of fuel on to the pax

Kind of ironic that the only company that can make money is the one that flies rednecks and fat chicks.

They're not all fat chicks....remember the girl that got "tossed" a while back was a hooters waitress and inspiring actress. ;)

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2007/0...iniskirt-gets/

Have you looked at the pax on your flights lately? I bet they ain't any better than the ones on SWA....http://www.tvsa.co.za/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Right you are. I'm at XJT - and while I fear my company is a sinking ship, I think the entire profession is about to implode. Time to bail!

seriously, how about the PITA that asked me for a blanket and Soda while I was walking down the aisle for a Deadhead on CAL................people in general are DUMB & LAZY. This job has made me dislike human beings even more then I already did :)


XJT isnt a sinking ship, its a ship in a draining OCEAN

If you read it that way that is your problem.

You must have your speakers up pretty loud, or your hearing voices.


I'm sore from last night and the 7 mile run this morning. Just to be clear, I'm not blaming skywest for those.

SkyWest will take over for a while then look for the LAX flying to start converting over to mainline. They'll begin delivery on their new 73NG's (737-700s) this month. LAX is Delta's post merger gem for utilizing NWA's pacific routes.

I heard DLs 737NG base in LAX is shrinking....

Could be. I think LAX is trying to discourage the use of small airplanes as a congestion measure.

In LAX a DAL FO on the elevator said that they were cutting back on flying in LAX. Cant' remember the SPECIFIC number, but somewhere between 10% and 20%.

The thing I wonder is, was that DAL mainline, or was that to include ALL DAL operations in LAX? Meaning, XJT leaving may have been a part of that.

Compared to what? LAX runs like a Swiss watch compared to the other 7 bases I've been in.