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Old 07-16-2008 | 04:03 PM
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Happened to me in a king air at FL250(ie. my avatar). Just leveled off, when all of a sudden... KABLAMMO. Sounded like somebody smacked the windscreen with a sledge hammer. Apparently it happens more often than one would think... in king airs at least. Not sure what caused the "shattering" on the Skywest flight but a kink in the wire mesh between the glass layers is usually the culprit as far as B200s are concerned. The tight bend creates a large deviation in temperature over a relatively short distance weakening the pane. Oh yeah, I was in the right seat when that happened. Still scared the crap outta me though.
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Old 07-16-2008 | 04:28 PM
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[quote=sweptback;427022]ASA doesn't limit the CR2 or CR7. I guess they trust crews to make informed decisions.

Trusting crews... OMG it must be total anarchy!
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Old 07-16-2008 | 06:29 PM
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Here's some performance numbers for the 200:

Time to climb from T/O (700ish MSL) to FL330 with 38 PAX

52 Minutes
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Old 07-16-2008 | 06:45 PM
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here is a good physics question for you all. Your at FL300, and the window shatters, does the pilot get covered in glass?
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Old 07-16-2008 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by buffmike80
here is a good physics question for you all. Your at FL300, and the window shatters, does the pilot get covered in glass?

Nope! the windscreen should blow out due to the 7lbs per square inch....What was that British Airways flight that had the wrong screws in the windscreen and the captain was almost blown out of the plane. The lead FA had to hold him in.
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Old 07-16-2008 | 07:09 PM
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I saw a cracked window at the shop today in SLC that had to be the one. Looked like it held up pretty good but there was a lot of spiderweb cracking around the upper right hand corner that spred out throughout the window. I am sure the FO could see very little through it on there way into Kalispell.
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Old 07-16-2008 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by The Chow
Nope! the windscreen should blow out due to the 7lbs per square inch....What was that British Airways flight that had the wrong screws in the windscreen and the captain was almost blown out of the plane. The lead FA had to hold him in.
I agree with the answer from the post above. Though I suppose there could be some speculation about what happens to the glass once it's ejected... Keep in mind, there may be 7 psi pushing out, but that will equalize quickly with a window-sized hole. And there is a lot of air going by at 300 knots that would love to push that glass back in. Who wins?
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Old 07-16-2008 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sweptback
ASA doesn't limit the CR2 or CR7. I guess they trust crews to make informed decisions.

Of course, we've always had the climb/cruise capability chart on our speed cards, and it's been ingrained in us since day one to check that chart before accepting an altitude.
Gimme a break... Skywest posts the same dang chart on their flip cards. Maybe you could come over to Skywest and show them how to fly a big huge RJ?
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Old 07-17-2008 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by vtbvtdk
I agree with the answer from the post above. Though I suppose there could be some speculation about what happens to the glass once it's ejected... Keep in mind, there may be 7 psi pushing out, but that will equalize quickly with a window-sized hole. And there is a lot of air going by at 300 knots that would love to push that glass back in. Who wins?
Remember the American Airlines 757 that diverted into PBI from SJU in January that had the cracked windshield shooting pieces of glass at the F/O? That was more do to electrical problems though.

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Old 07-17-2008 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by sweptback
ASA doesn't limit the CR2 or CR7. I guess they trust crews to make informed decisions.

Of course, we've always had the climb/cruise capability chart on our speed cards, and it's been ingrained in us since day one to check that chart before accepting an altitude.
As it should be.

Our self-imposed limitation decision was a knee-jerk reaction to Pinnacle's crash, and we've been trying to get it reversed ever since, at least for the 700s and 900s. Makes a lot of sense that our sister company flying the exact same equipment, does so under different rules.

SkyWest: Continuous chop here at 38.

Center: Smooth above. Would you like 40?

SkyWest: Unable. Is wrong-way 39 available?

Center: Unable.
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