Where will these end up? (Hopefully not at an US regional)
#31
#32
OK, I can see that but remember that we’re not really facing another J4J situation here. The reasons why we’re furloughing today aren’t the same as they we’re 6 years ago.
Hmmmm true but only because mainline pilots wouldn't fly them, or at least they wouldn't fly them at our pathetic rates (once again US Airways excluded). BTW, I wouldn't expect mainline pilots to give up anymore scope, they've learned their lesson and I DON’T WANT THEM TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I, for one, would like at job at mainline someday.
Hmmmm true but only because mainline pilots wouldn't fly them, or at least they wouldn't fly them at our pathetic rates (once again US Airways excluded). BTW, I wouldn't expect mainline pilots to give up anymore scope, they've learned their lesson and I DON’T WANT THEM TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I, for one, would like at job at mainline someday.
Superpilot you are correct about CAL and yes there are options but some places simply don't see it that way. I pray like no other we see a CAP and there not be 190s at a regional level. I pray for it. I wish we'd just go back to being regulated. I mean who wouldn't want the better work rules, pay raises, and job security?
#33
The only "regional" that could pull this off with United colors is AWAC with the waiver to fly up to 100 seats and I believe 95,000 lbs. Thank god we have a pay scale already in place to serve those needs, but I would rather see these aircraft at mainline any day of the week.
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WE have all been over these arguments before.... only time will tell. But if past performance is any indicator of future results..... you can expect mainline to try to raise the seat bar so to speak. Will they be successful? I and many hope not. But the fact remains..... IF some carrier was to be successful and relaxing scope and they came to SKW or RAH or AWAC or whoever and offered them the flying and the company offered the pilots an appropriate pay scale ... EVERYONE of these companies would jump at the chance to fly them. PILOTS dont make the decisions on what aircraft their companies fly at the regional level.... MGT does. Bottom line is the mainline guys are probably going to have to take some pathetic rates ( compared to their current scales ) to get them on property.... and if they dont MGT will scream they cant pay those rates and need scope relief so Jet/Regionals can fly them...
Do I like this scenario ???? NO... but stay tuned friends to a company near you and lets see if they dont at the very least attempt this.
WE have all been over these arguments before.... only time will tell. But if past performance is any indicator of future results..... you can expect mainline to try to raise the seat bar so to speak. Will they be successful? I and many hope not. But the fact remains..... IF some carrier was to be successful and relaxing scope and they came to SKW or RAH or AWAC or whoever and offered them the flying and the company offered the pilots an appropriate pay scale ... EVERYONE of these companies would jump at the chance to fly them. PILOTS dont make the decisions on what aircraft their companies fly at the regional level.... MGT does. Bottom line is the mainline guys are probably going to have to take some pathetic rates ( compared to their current scales ) to get them on property.... and if they dont MGT will scream they cant pay those rates and need scope relief so Jet/Regionals can fly them...
Do I like this scenario ???? NO... but stay tuned friends to a company near you and lets see if they dont at the very least attempt this.
#35
What's Alaska's scope. They have been preaching for months about a third party carrier flying 100-seaters for them. They also recently talked about starting Alaska Express...Does anyone know the scope language for Alaska/Horizon?
#37
Management getting reregulated would not do anything for better work rules, pay raises, and job security. If you really believe that then you need to look at the history of the bankruptcies and furloughs during the regulated years. One could argue that being reregulated would allow the companies to reduce much more service now causing more furloughs for a much longer period of time. (They could raise prices, lose customers, and still make more money, and not have the pesky airplanes and pilots to pay). Reregulation is clearly not the answer, smarter management is the way forward. As a comparison, Railway Labor Act is regulation that is designed for the 'consumer' and protects management, not us. Reregulation is clearly not positive.
#38
This is simple TD, US Airways pilots are flying their E-190's for our ridiculous RJ rates, not that many are much better. That's why they are excluded.
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#39
You keep saying US air excluded but that's exactly who has the E-190s lol.
Superpilot you are correct about CAL and yes there are options but some places simply don't see it that way. I pray like no other we see a CAP and there not be 190s at a regional level. I pray for it. I wish we'd just go back to being regulated. I mean who wouldn't want the better work rules, pay raises, and job security?
Superpilot you are correct about CAL and yes there are options but some places simply don't see it that way. I pray like no other we see a CAP and there not be 190s at a regional level. I pray for it. I wish we'd just go back to being regulated. I mean who wouldn't want the better work rules, pay raises, and job security?
#40
The wages do stink but there is 1 thing that makes it better and that is the planes are on the mainline ticket which adds longevity and potential for increased wages. If all planes were on mainline then everyone would start their longevity sooner which equals more pay and security for everyone.
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