Mesaba Future
08-14-2008, 01:35 PM
#112
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Interesting - thanks for posting that. Anybody have any idea the exact amount of 76 seat a/c are currently operated at DCI? IF there are only 120 allowed and XJ and CP are already operating 72 of them, that leaves only 48 that could be operated at Pinnacle, Comair, Mesa and Skywest. 255, 70 seat a/c is a HUGE number! Looks like that could be the loophole DL will exploit.
INteresting bits about the flowthru as well. But where does it specifically mention Xj and CP in the flowthru language? Looks like deep furloughs aren't going to happen unless mainline wants to take the expense of converting 76 seaters into 70 seaters.
Does this answer the initial question of this thread? No, but it certainly puts to rest a ton of speculation by "people in the know" to rest.
INteresting bits about the flowthru as well. But where does it specifically mention Xj and CP in the flowthru language? Looks like deep furloughs aren't going to happen unless mainline wants to take the expense of converting 76 seaters into 70 seaters.
Does this answer the initial question of this thread? No, but it certainly puts to rest a ton of speculation by "people in the know" to rest.
08-14-2008, 01:54 PM
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Mesaba - 36
Compass - 36
Skywest - 21
Pinnacle - 16
Freedom - 14
Comair - ?
That already totals 123 and it isn't even counting the current Comair ones. Of course, the balance of the Pinnacle, Skywest, Freedom and Comair deliveries have yet to happen. Mesaba will have their 36 in a few months, I was under the impression Compass would as well. Aren't some of the Skywest planes in a 70 seat config? Seems to me that would be the solution for the overage... or just not take delivery of the overage and convert them to CRJ 700s instead.
Compass - 36
Skywest - 21
Pinnacle - 16
Freedom - 14
Comair - ?
That already totals 123 and it isn't even counting the current Comair ones. Of course, the balance of the Pinnacle, Skywest, Freedom and Comair deliveries have yet to happen. Mesaba will have their 36 in a few months, I was under the impression Compass would as well. Aren't some of the Skywest planes in a 70 seat config? Seems to me that would be the solution for the overage... or just not take delivery of the overage and convert them to CRJ 700s instead.
08-14-2008, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bored
Mesaba - 36
Compass - 36
Skywest - 21
Pinnacle - 16
Freedom - 14
Comair - ?
That already totals 123 and it isn't even counting the current Comair ones. Of course, the balance of the Pinnacle, Skywest, Freedom and Comair deliveries have yet to happen. Mesaba will have their 36 in a few months, I was under the impression Compass would as well. Aren't some of the Skywest planes in a 70 seat config? Seems to me that would be the solution for the overage... or just not take delivery of the overage and convert them to CRJ 700s instead.
Compass - 36
Skywest - 21
Pinnacle - 16
Freedom - 14
Comair - ?
That already totals 123 and it isn't even counting the current Comair ones. Of course, the balance of the Pinnacle, Skywest, Freedom and Comair deliveries have yet to happen. Mesaba will have their 36 in a few months, I was under the impression Compass would as well. Aren't some of the Skywest planes in a 70 seat config? Seems to me that would be the solution for the overage... or just not take delivery of the overage and convert them to CRJ 700s instead.
I feel very curtain that SKW will retain their 4 deliveries for one may reason, we are DAL’s only West cost CR9 operator and they are planned for the SLC system. Also, all the other DAL/NWA operators are Midwest to East coast operators and that’s where most of the overlap will be felt.
Just my opinion and nothing more.
08-14-2008, 02:32 PM
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My big question is why did Mesaba buy a CRJ200 sim for only 17 airplanes. Seems like a fairly small fleet to buy a sim for. The prospects for getting more 200s seems slim but a sim for that small of a fleet just does not seem worth it.
As for more 900s, I would love to see us get a SLC or ATL base. I would be the first to bid that. A long shot but who knows. Please do not argue #2......I know its not going to happen. Save your breathe
As for more 900s, I would love to see us get a SLC or ATL base. I would be the first to bid that. A long shot but who knows. Please do not argue #2......I know its not going to happen. Save your breathe
08-14-2008, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by stobelma
My big question is why did Mesaba buy a CRJ200 sim for only 17 airplanes. Seems like a fairly small fleet to buy a sim for. The prospects for getting more 200s seems slim but a sim for that small of a fleet just does not seem worth it.
As for more 900s, I would love to see us get a SLC or ATL base. I would be the first to bid that. A long shot but who knows. Please do not argue #2......I know its not going to happen. Save your breathe
As for more 900s, I would love to see us get a SLC or ATL base. I would be the first to bid that. A long shot but who knows. Please do not argue #2......I know its not going to happen. Save your breathe
08-14-2008, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by stobelma
My big question is why did Mesaba buy a CRJ200 sim for only 17 airplanes. Seems like a fairly small fleet to buy a sim for. The prospects for getting more 200s seems slim but a sim for that small of a fleet just does not seem worth it.
As for more 900s, I would love to see us get a SLC or ATL base. I would be the first to bid that. A long shot but who knows. Please do not argue #2......I know its not going to happen. Save your breathe
As for more 900s, I would love to see us get a SLC or ATL base. I would be the first to bid that. A long shot but who knows. Please do not argue #2......I know its not going to happen. Save your breathe
Personally, I think once all the allotted planes get here there won't be much happening accept getting caught up with training and correcting ground support issues.
I think it's more likely that there will be a SAAB replacement than anymore 900's. No matter what happens I suspect nothing more will happen until the merger is complete.
I also think that NONE of the Delta or NWA regionals are safe be it contract or owned. I don't know how Delta is but NWA is ruthless with contracts - no matter the duration, contracts are subject to the whims of the mainline management. Here today, gone tomorrow.
08-14-2008, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bored
Mesaba - 36
Compass - 36
Skywest - 21
Pinnacle - 16
Freedom - 14
Comair - ?
That already totals 123 and it isn't even counting the current Comair ones. Of course, the balance of the Pinnacle, Skywest, Freedom and Comair deliveries have yet to happen. Mesaba will have their 36 in a few months, I was under the impression Compass would as well. Aren't some of the Skywest planes in a 70 seat config? Seems to me that would be the solution for the overage... or just not take delivery of the overage and convert them to CRJ 700s instead.
Compass - 36
Skywest - 21
Pinnacle - 16
Freedom - 14
Comair - ?
That already totals 123 and it isn't even counting the current Comair ones. Of course, the balance of the Pinnacle, Skywest, Freedom and Comair deliveries have yet to happen. Mesaba will have their 36 in a few months, I was under the impression Compass would as well. Aren't some of the Skywest planes in a 70 seat config? Seems to me that would be the solution for the overage... or just not take delivery of the overage and convert them to CRJ 700s instead.
From what I understand (told by MN in recurrent) is you have to take the CP's 36 out of the equation because they are included in the exemption (over 86,000 lbs) That makes the total number 156 76 seaters (120 <86,000 lbs and CP's exempted 36).
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