Ex Independence Air pilots
#11
Here's the applicable language from the ACO pilot agreement:
Section 1. Recognition and Scope:
C. Successor/Merger: This Agreement shall be binding upon any subsidiaries formed by the Company and/or any successor or merged Company, which shall employ the pilots on the Company Pilots' System Seniority List in accordance with the provisions of this Agreement.
D. Seniority Integration
--2. If the Company sells over 40 percent of its aircraft in a single transaction as a going concern, the Company will, as a condition of the sale, require the purchaser to offer employment to those pilots assigned to that portion of the fleet at the time of the sale.
F. The Company agrees that if any existing aircraft, pilots, or routes operated by the airline are transferred out of the airline to a new subsidiary of the Company for the purposes of starting a new airline within one hundred and twenty days from the filing of an application for an operating certificate with the Department of Transportation, all pilots employed by such airline will be covered by this agreement.
Provided further, "existing aircraft, pilots, or routes operated by the airline" shall mean those aircraft, pilots and routes operated by the airline one hundred and twenty days prior to the date of filing an application for an operating certificate with the DOT.
The Company agrees to notify the MEC of any pending transfer no later than ten days from the date of filing with the DOT.
END OF SECTION
Section 1. Recognition and Scope:
C. Successor/Merger: This Agreement shall be binding upon any subsidiaries formed by the Company and/or any successor or merged Company, which shall employ the pilots on the Company Pilots' System Seniority List in accordance with the provisions of this Agreement.
D. Seniority Integration
--2. If the Company sells over 40 percent of its aircraft in a single transaction as a going concern, the Company will, as a condition of the sale, require the purchaser to offer employment to those pilots assigned to that portion of the fleet at the time of the sale.
F. The Company agrees that if any existing aircraft, pilots, or routes operated by the airline are transferred out of the airline to a new subsidiary of the Company for the purposes of starting a new airline within one hundred and twenty days from the filing of an application for an operating certificate with the Department of Transportation, all pilots employed by such airline will be covered by this agreement.
Provided further, "existing aircraft, pilots, or routes operated by the airline" shall mean those aircraft, pilots and routes operated by the airline one hundred and twenty days prior to the date of filing an application for an operating certificate with the DOT.
The Company agrees to notify the MEC of any pending transfer no later than ten days from the date of filing with the DOT.
END OF SECTION
#12
I agree with airfish. would say that the purchase of the certificate is just that. A purchase of a piece of paper (along with associated assets).
I see nothing that would bind NWA (or whatever subsequent company they come up with as a result of this transaction). The company is defunct and all of the pilots have been terminated formally by the company. Even if there was scope that covered such a transaction, certainly something would have to be considered regarding "career expectations," of which there are none for former IDE pilots (at least not under this operating certificate).
~Josh
I see nothing that would bind NWA (or whatever subsequent company they come up with as a result of this transaction). The company is defunct and all of the pilots have been terminated formally by the company. Even if there was scope that covered such a transaction, certainly something would have to be considered regarding "career expectations," of which there are none for former IDE pilots (at least not under this operating certificate).
~Josh
#13
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From: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV
Originally Posted by OOTSK
I will give my identity away, but I was at Kalitta for 2 years and now I'm at UPS. I will always be a fr8ght dog. (Just as long as I don't have to return to Willow Run!) LOL!
Glad you landed a RELATIVELY stable job in this industry. Atleast you were able to reclaim any career progression/potential earnings you would have had at NWA.
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From: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV
Originally Posted by airfish
I don't think it will matter at all. Every pilot that was on the seniority list was terminated. Furlough letters came out then termination letters. So there a not really any pilots tied to this ticket. Just my 2 cents. Just keep Skeen and Moore away from the danged thing.
You hear from Atlas yet?
#17
Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Glad you landed a RELATIVELY stable job in this industry. Atleast you were able to reclaim any career progression/potential earnings you would have had at NWA.
Lets hope so.
Thanks for all the info from everyone. I really appreciate it!
Fly Good!
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