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#23
One explanation I heard on this issue from an ALPA national guy actually made sense.
Let's say there is a pilot who is married with four kids. He can't afford to put anything into the 401K because he is too busy trying to feed his family.
Then there's another pilot from the same company with the same income who is married with no kids. His wife makes a lot if money. He and his wife both max out their 401K plans.
The pilot who is struggling financially is subject to more dues than the pilot who effectively shelters a substantial amount of income from dues through the 401K plan.
I don't like paying more dues, but I believe that all income should be subject to dues not part of it. If ALPA needs the cash they will get it from you by raising the rate. At least this may have prevented a rate hike by evenly distributing the burden accross the entire pilot group.
Let's say there is a pilot who is married with four kids. He can't afford to put anything into the 401K because he is too busy trying to feed his family.
Then there's another pilot from the same company with the same income who is married with no kids. His wife makes a lot if money. He and his wife both max out their 401K plans.
The pilot who is struggling financially is subject to more dues than the pilot who effectively shelters a substantial amount of income from dues through the 401K plan.
I don't like paying more dues, but I believe that all income should be subject to dues not part of it. If ALPA needs the cash they will get it from you by raising the rate. At least this may have prevented a rate hike by evenly distributing the burden accross the entire pilot group.
#24
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From: CR7 Capt.
At a time when Airline Pilots have collectively taken huge consessions, lost large portions of their retirement (most of whom are represented by ALPA), the union has a lot of damn gall asking for a dues hike.
#25
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Being a representative requires leadership. And leadership sometimes requires doing what you feel is right rather than just doing what your constituents want. It actually took political courage to go against their constituents.
#26
I agree to a point. However, when it is subject such as the one we are discussing here, the reps have a "common sense" obligation to go get the answers as we all know that the membership as a whole doesn't stay informed. There needed to be a LOT more information that what was offered and a membership vote should have happened at every property.
#27
The constitution and by-laws do not allow that.
Being a representative requires leadership. And leadership sometimes requires doing what you feel is right rather than just doing what your constituents want. It actually took political courage to go against their constituents.
Being a representative requires leadership. And leadership sometimes requires doing what you feel is right rather than just doing what your constituents want. It actually took political courage to go against their constituents.
I don't disagree with your statement on most situations (but I would definately NOT call that action courageous. I would say narcissistic), but not on topics that have an effect on every member such as this. No MEC should stand above a membership vote at the local level on something that every member will feel.
#28
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From: EMB 145 CPT
I don't disagree with your statement on most situations (but I would definately NOT call that action courageous. I would say narcissistic), but not on topics that have an effect on every member such as this. No MEC should stand above a membership vote at the local level on something that every member will feel.
#29
Members of Congress don't ask their constituents what they think about every single issue (or even major issues) before voting, but if a constituent or group of constituents voices a concern, its the rep's duty and responsibility to listen and consider their position.
In theory, representatives are elected to further the agenda of the people they represent, not their own. While every union rep should have their finger on the pulse of Joe Line Pilot, its the responsibility of pilots who have concerns to voice them to the people that represent them. All the crew room lawyers in the world can't change something once its been done...
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