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ohplease! 09-18-2008 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi (Post 463112)
I know that when we were doing our "safety program" at ASA, We tried to taxi as slow as possible, but never with somebody behind us, if we could help it. I know that it is not always possible to do, but we tried.

Making my commute takes first priority over everything else going on at the time, within the margin of safety or course. Getting out of the gate 10 early is usually the best way. Again, making my commute is number 1. If I'm not trying to get home to my family, then I'm all for the "safety program."

two statements that will add time to the length of negotiations. The second one is especially damaging but not unexpected from the "me" generation.

Look, I'm don't want to come across as an ass. I really don't mean it that way. It's just that at some point we have to make a choice do do what HAS to be done. No matter who it affects in the short term (including ourselves and our families). Either that or continue to watch management drag their feet and the union stand behind unreasonable demands. And nooooo. most of the demands are not unreasonable BUT some are and everyone knows it.

ehaeckercfi 09-18-2008 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by ohplease! (Post 463906)
...but not unexpected from the "me" generation...

Look, I'm don't want to come across as an ass. I really don't mean it that way. It's just that at some point we have to make a choice do do what HAS to be done. No matter who it affects in the short term (including ourselves and our families). Either that or continue to watch management drag their feet and the union stand behind unreasonable demands. And nooooo. most of the demands are not unreasonable BUT some are and everyone knows it.

Funny how you think you know me...

I understand everything you are saying, and agree for the most part. I'm just saying that my days off and my family come first. I leave my work at work. I'm not going to short myself precious time at home if I can help it. Work to live, not live to work.
Are you a commuter?

ohplease! 09-18-2008 08:20 AM

not anymore. takes too much time from the family....yet another choice.

I don't know you. But I do know the type. "I'll do whatever it takes.....as long as I'm not inconvenienced...."

Airsupport 09-18-2008 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by ohplease! (Post 464005)
not anymore. takes too much time from the family....yet another choice.

I don't know you. But I do know the type. "I'll do whatever it takes.....as long as I'm not inconvenienced...."


lol, and after 3 posts in this pinnacle thread all know your type....

higney85 09-18-2008 10:07 AM

I don't know everyone else but I come to work, do my job to the best of my ability, and come home. I fly what the book/flight plan call for and play it safe. I figure we could fly at 250 and save gas and maybe be late or be professionals and fly by the book. To each their own.

nicholasblonde 09-18-2008 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 464094)
I don't know everyone else but I come to work, do my job to the best of my ability, and come home. I fly what the book/flight plan call for and play it safe. I figure we could fly at 250 and save gas and maybe be late or be professionals and fly by the book. To each their own.

Like I've said before...we are so overfueled and overblocked, and we operate out of airports that are pretty efficient compared to the national avg (MSP & DTW de-icing ops and traffic flow is good compared to JFK/ATL/etc. and MEM is super compared to most hubs of that size nationwide)...it is essentially impossible to show up late barring unforseen mx or wx issues. 250 won't cut it unless it's an extremely long flight (although the extremely long flights are even more overblocked it seems).

One thing I do think is somewhat sadistic is that sickness crap in the last flt ops memo...I can understand a "wellness program" in the corporate sense (i.e. a genuinely good-hearted attempt to lower your company's health costs, provide reduced-rate gym memberships, encourage preventative healthcare, etc.)....but that wellness stuff at 9E is such a thinly veiled propaganda campaign against "being sick" that I can't believe they don't get some sort of slap on the hand from the FAA for that program...a genuine wellness program would give us reduced rate gym memberships and pamphlets on quitting smoking, preventative healthcare tips (what ages are recommended for heart function tests, breast exams, etc.)...9E instead is basically saying "if you don't call in sick you win a free camera." It makes me sick as someone who worked in healthcare for several years before coming here...it is such a sadistic doublespeak program.

ehaeckercfi 09-18-2008 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by ohplease! (Post 464005)
not anymore. takes too much time from the family....yet another choice.

I don't know you. But I do know the type. "I'll do whatever it takes.....as long as I'm not inconvenienced...."

Well I have no choice but to commute for now for personal reasons.

I love how you think you know the "type". I guess I am the "type" because I would rather spend time with my family than drag @$$ and miss my commute in an attempt to prove a point? You have to draw the line somewhere, and for me, I draw the line when it cuts into my family time. Period. I guess that makes me a spoiled member of the "me" generation? Let me get you a shovel...

ebl14 09-18-2008 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi (Post 463112)
I know that when we were doing our "safety program" at ASA, We tried to taxi as slow as possible, but never with somebody behind us, if we could help it. I know that it is not always possible to do, but we tried.

Making my commute takes first priority over everything else going on at the time, within the margin of safety or course. Getting out of the gate 10 early is usually the best way. Again, making my commute is number 1. If I'm not trying to get home to my family, then I'm all for the "safety program."

So when there is nobody behind you, you taxi safely. But when there is someone back there you taxi how? Dangerously? Lets just be as safe as possible... then the ppl behind us will be just as safe as we are.

ehaeckercfi 09-18-2008 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by ebl14 (Post 464381)
So when there is nobody behind you, you taxi safely. But when there is someone back there you taxi how? Dangerously? Lets just be as safe as possible... then the ppl behind us will be just as safe as we are.

We all know what "safe" means. If we are at an outstation, we will simply let any other traffic go past us before calling for taxi. That burns more time anyway. I am all about slow downs when in negotiations, but I don't want to impose that on others if I can help it. Just common courtesy really.

Ron Mexico 09-19-2008 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi (Post 464546)
I am all about slow downs when in negotiations, but I don't want to impose that on others if I can help it. Just common courtesy really.


When you're a captain you can make those decisions. Until then continue to sit on your hands and slang my gear. Thanks


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