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03-29-2006 | 04:40 PM
#21
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Originally Posted by Savannahguy
Yeah well, good to hear that stuff, but you know as well as I do that you are probably in the minority at Mesa.
As for Mesa/Freedom in 737's at PIT, all I know is that you ARE in CRJ-900's in CLT right now. Those planes replaced enough of OUR 737's (that's seven thirty sevens) to keep me from being recalled...
So excuse me for being so glib when it comes to appreciating your "victory" with Freedom. Back then your guys were not willing to call JO on his ability to both transfer all of the flying to the new certificate, and his ability to get enough of your guys to jump ship (to fly all of) the Freedom planes. Instead your pilot group took the safe route (and only got scope) because IMO you did not trust yourselves enough. And THAT is why I said the opinions you expressed unfortunately are in the minority at Mesa.
Why...? Because if your pilots had held off for both Scope and an improved contract, chances are real good that you would not have seen a fraction of the growth you ended up having... Most of the guys that voted "yes" back then knew this (and still do).
Like I said, good luck to you and others that share your opinions, but please do not expect the rest of the industry to be easily convinced that anything has or will change at Mesa. Once bitten, twice shy.
As for Mesa/Freedom in 737's at PIT, all I know is that you ARE in CRJ-900's in CLT right now. Those planes replaced enough of OUR 737's (that's seven thirty sevens) to keep me from being recalled...
So excuse me for being so glib when it comes to appreciating your "victory" with Freedom. Back then your guys were not willing to call JO on his ability to both transfer all of the flying to the new certificate, and his ability to get enough of your guys to jump ship (to fly all of) the Freedom planes. Instead your pilot group took the safe route (and only got scope) because IMO you did not trust yourselves enough. And THAT is why I said the opinions you expressed unfortunately are in the minority at Mesa.
Why...? Because if your pilots had held off for both Scope and an improved contract, chances are real good that you would not have seen a fraction of the growth you ended up having... Most of the guys that voted "yes" back then knew this (and still do).
Like I said, good luck to you and others that share your opinions, but please do not expect the rest of the industry to be easily convinced that anything has or will change at Mesa. Once bitten, twice shy.
My only idea is to push for ATP mins for ALL 121 pilots...if we could pull that off then airline guys would be less tolerant of BS at the entry level I think.
04-02-2006 | 04:40 PM
#23
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From: M88B
Well,
I have managed to stay out of this one I guess. Although my opinion is likely well known. For the original post, Yes PIT is a junior base for 1900 F.O's and CA's. Can you commute out? Just as easy as working for any other airline.
We do have some pretty poor work rules, but I firmly believe that there are enough people ready to step up...or in some cases step out. I really enjoyed Rick's comment on leaving it in "ashes". However speculation on the contract is just that. If you don't like what you see, then apply somewhere else. This will only lead to the pilots that are at Mesa having more power so either way we can take care of business.
Oh, one more thing for those of you that think the turboprop is going to be canned. Do you think that places like Dodge City KS or Massena NY will support an RJ or any A/C from mainline for that matter? These are the exact routes that the regionals need to be flying anyways. Well till see another good argument
XtremeF150
I have managed to stay out of this one I guess. Although my opinion is likely well known. For the original post, Yes PIT is a junior base for 1900 F.O's and CA's. Can you commute out? Just as easy as working for any other airline.
We do have some pretty poor work rules, but I firmly believe that there are enough people ready to step up...or in some cases step out. I really enjoyed Rick's comment on leaving it in "ashes". However speculation on the contract is just that. If you don't like what you see, then apply somewhere else. This will only lead to the pilots that are at Mesa having more power so either way we can take care of business.
Oh, one more thing for those of you that think the turboprop is going to be canned. Do you think that places like Dodge City KS or Massena NY will support an RJ or any A/C from mainline for that matter? These are the exact routes that the regionals need to be flying anyways. Well till see another good argument
XtremeF150
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