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cptmorgancrunch 11-04-2008 06:57 PM

so whens the move for management to move down to memphis

nwa757 11-05-2008 05:50 AM

Vote change in guys, vote ALPA.

When does the vote close? Let's get on the same page instead of using our paychecks to compete against each other.

mooney 11-05-2008 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by captain152 (Post 491932)
LOL, well, I don't think ALPA has one bit of say as to whether company purchases more aircraft ... that would be a little ridiculous ... I said that in regards to the out of seniority transitions/upgrades

Just wanted to make sure you weren't one of the guys spreading the false rumor that Alpa would hurt you because they would make sure all the Q's went to 9e....:)

captain152 11-05-2008 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by cptmorgancrunch (Post 492005)
so whens the move for management to move down to memphis

I think we are all waiting to hear word as to when that's going to happen ... whether we merge lists or not, that's one thing that IS going to happen, it's just a matter of time. If I had to guess, I would say to expect it sometime in late 2009 or early 2010, but that's pure speculation on my part.

The Juice 11-05-2008 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by captain152 (Post 491932)
LOL, well, I don't think ALPA has one bit of say as to whether company purchases more aircraft ... that would be a little ridiculous ... I said that in regards to the out of seniority transitions/upgrades

Im sorry but I have to laugh a little when you mention upgrade out of seniority when you are currently at upgrade at this moment and you upgraded, out of seniority.

Not that you should have turned down the upgrade but I find it a tad bid ironic.;)

captain152 11-05-2008 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 492258)
Im sorry but I have to laugh a little when you mention upgrade out of seniority when you are currently at upgrade at this moment and you upgraded, out of seniority.

Not that you should have turned down the upgrade but I find it a tad bid ironic.;)

Nah, I figured that was going to come up sooner or later ;)... and there is a reason behind why I'm here, and I don't honestly know if it's fair for me to be here or not given the circumstances ... I'm not going to sit here and lie to you and say with full confidence that it is perfectly fair. I'm not sure who you are, but if you want to know what happened feel free to PM me and i'll give ya the scoop ... actually PM me anyway, because you seem to know who I am! :)

Jamers 11-05-2008 03:24 PM

I can't wait to UpgraDDe... two D's for a double dose of pimpin'

captain152 11-05-2008 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Jamers (Post 492461)
I can't wait to UpgraDDe... two D's for a double dose of pimpin'

Jamers where you based?

Jamers 11-05-2008 05:59 PM

IAH, the big city of dreams. How's that training coming?

Pinnaclelifer 11-05-2008 06:04 PM

Iah base
 
hello, first time posting and new to here, will colgan Base q400 out of IAH anytime soon?
also I hope we merge lists with Colgan because Im heading to Houston baby!:)

Jamers 11-05-2008 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by Pinnaclelifer (Post 492578)
hello, first time posting and new to here, will colgan Base q400 out of IAH anytime soon?
also I hope we merge lists with Colgan because Im heading to Houston baby!:)

The Saab is there right now.

The Juice 11-05-2008 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Pinnaclelifer (Post 492578)
hello, first time posting and new to here, will colgan Base q400 out of IAH anytime soon?
also I hope we merge lists with Colgan because Im heading to Houston baby!:)

It almost sounds like you are not serious. There are Colgan pilots who do not want ALPA because they are under the incorrect assumption that PNCL pilots will "steal" the Q400's.

I hope you really dont think that you will pop on down to IAH if we merge, it is called fences and they will be in place.

skidmark 11-05-2008 07:28 PM

All I can say is that Colgan went downhill fast after selling to 9E. And don't try and tell me "oh we wouldn't have gotten Q's". Those planes should not move with the pay rates. Colgan treated everyone better before they sold out. What a crappy company it has become. I don't know what it is like at 9e, but it sounds like it is getting better over there. Congrads to happy new Pinnacle guy.

captain152 11-05-2008 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by Jamers (Post 492571)
IAH, the big city of dreams. How's that training coming?

There seem to be a lot of people on this forum in IAH ... Juice seems to know me, and if you're in IAH I'm sure you know me too ... wish I knew who more people were on here ... it would make things easier, lol

Training is good ... LOTS of studying, but good ... definitely learning a lot ;)

captain152 11-05-2008 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by skidmark (Post 492634)
All I can say is that Colgan went downhill fast after selling to 9E. And don't try and tell me "oh we wouldn't have gotten Q's". Those planes should not move with the pay rates. Colgan treated everyone better before they sold out. What a crappy company it has become. I don't know what it is like at 9e, but it sounds like it is getting better over there. Congrads to happy new Pinnacle guy.

Skidmark ... seriously, keep it to yourself ... everyone can complain about the company they are with (you make it sound like you're with Colgan as well), but what's it gonna do?! You do the best you can with what you have to work with, and if you can't do that, you go somewhere else, or do something else ... EVERY regional airline has gotten worse over the last year and a half in case you haven't noticed ... some of the "BADA$$" carriers people once thought were indestructible took a plunge and were forced to furlough a lot, and other carriers people regarded as "bad" sank but still managed not to furlough ... be happy you have a job ... it could always be worse

..sorry for the rant, just my two cents

skidmark 11-06-2008 04:43 AM

Perhaps your right, I am just more than tired of fighting them for pay. Haven't you had enough?

shamrok 11-06-2008 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by Pinnaclelifer (Post 492578)
hello, first time posting and new to here, will colgan Base q400 out of IAH anytime soon?
also I hope we merge lists with Colgan because Im heading to Houston baby!:)

LOL, keep on dreaming. Like juice said, FENCES with barbwire and snipers!

captain152 11-06-2008 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by skidmark (Post 492712)
Perhaps your right, I am just more than tired of fighting them for pay. Haven't you had enough?

Believe me, I know the pay sucks ... I've thought that since day one ... but it's also a job and a paycheck ... so I have a hard time complaining when I know there are so many pilots out there out of a job right now

kalyx522 11-06-2008 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by captain152 (Post 492800)
Believe me, I know the pay sucks ... I've thought that since day one ... but it's also a job and a paycheck ... so I have a hard time complaining when I know there are so many pilots out there out of a job right now

I could be wrong, but I think skid might've been referring to the "errors" in pay credits, not our actual payscale (although that needs work too). I've actually met guys who don't care if their pay credit is correct, they never even check it. But I do care and I've fought with the company plenty about getting the correct credit. The whole bit is unnecessary and annoying and stressful, seriously starts to wear you down after the first 10 times.
Another problem before Honan came out with that pay credit memo was that there was such a lack of rules regarding pay credit and you could get nothing or something depending on if you talked to Chris v. Ginger (for example). Us as employees should know, at any given moment, exactly what we're getting paid. This was definitely not the case this past year and I think a lot of pilots were frustrated and fed up with that.
although, it's gotten a little better the past few months (I think...)

BeaglePilot 11-07-2008 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by kalyx522 (Post 493582)
I could be wrong, but I think skid might've been referring to the "errors" in pay credits, not our actual payscale (although that needs work too). I've actually met guys who don't care if their pay credit is correct, they never even check it. But I do care and I've fought with the company plenty about getting the correct credit. The whole bit is unnecessary and annoying and stressful, seriously starts to wear you down after the first 10 times.
Another problem before Honan came out with that pay credit memo was that there was such a lack of rules regarding pay credit and you could get nothing or something depending on if you talked to Chris v. Ginger (for example). Us as employees should know, at any given moment, exactly what we're getting paid. This was definitely not the case this past year and I think a lot of pilots were frustrated and fed up with that.
although, it's gotten a little better the past few months (I think...)

Just don't pick up any OT... that will save you the headache, and give you more time off!:eek:

kalyx522 11-07-2008 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by BeaglePilot (Post 493735)
Just don't pick up any OT... that will save you the headache, and give you more time off!:eek:

well, that is true, lol.
but a lot of what I was referring to was regarding cancellation pay and hot reserve and runups/repos and that kind of stuff... that was a friggin mess. (not so much anymore now that it's spelled out that we're not getting any hot reserve or runup pay!)

kalyx522 11-07-2008 08:59 AM

Speaking of credits... has anyone else noticed that you can no longer see your projected or actual credits on crewtrac? Up until a few days ago you were able to see both block and credit in the summary section, now I only see block. (which does me no good since I usually credit 20, sometimes even 30 hrs more than block.) At the end of the month I note what my credit is so I know it matches up with what I get in the paycheck. How are we supposed to know now unless we through every single day and add up all the credits manually? :confused: I know crewtrac was down for a few days, I wonder if this is an honest error with the system.

The Juice 11-07-2008 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by kalyx522 (Post 493794)
Speaking of credits... has anyone else noticed that you can no longer see your projected or actual credits on crewtrac? Up until a few days ago you were able to see both block and credit in the summary section, now I only see block. (which does me no good since I usually credit 20, sometimes even 30 hrs more than block.) At the end of the month I note what my credit is so I know it matches up with what I get in the paycheck. How are we supposed to know now unless we through every single day and add up all the credits manually? :confused: I know crewtrac was down for a few days, I wonder if this is an honest error with the system.

Im going to send a few emails off to find out what the deal is with this. What they forget is we budget for the following month on what that projected credit total reads.

glyde 11-07-2008 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by kalyx522 (Post 493794)
Speaking of credits... has anyone else noticed that you can no longer see your projected or actual credits on crewtrac? Up until a few days ago you were able to see both block and credit in the summary section, now I only see block. (which does me no good since I usually credit 20, sometimes even 30 hrs more than block.) At the end of the month I note what my credit is so I know it matches up with what I get in the paycheck. How are we supposed to know now unless we through every single day and add up all the credits manually? :confused: I know crewtrac was down for a few days, I wonder if this is an honest error with the system.

Run the print schedule report and scroll to the bottom for MTD credit and PROJ credit

captain152 11-08-2008 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 493858)
Im going to send a few emails off to find out what the deal is with this. What they forget is we budget for the following month on what that projected credit total reads.

Yo Juice ... let us know if there's any luck with those emails ... it'll be interesting to see what they say about that!


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