...condition lever?...what's that?! ;)

In my opinion...props will always prevail. Real pilots fly t-props! Us prop guys/gals have better war stories anyway...'nuff said!

Lax

FLAME ON!!!

ummm, it was meant as a joke/editorial statement

kinda like when people who never:
instructed, hauled boxes, lifted jumpers, towed banners, etc. say, "That stuff ins't nearly as good as my JET sic time"

As funny as it is going back and reading this post to find what it began as to what it has become ... I'm going to take a crack at resurrecting the original topic ...

Colgan just posted a memo answering the burning question of why so many of our first officers are not upgrading, and rather the junior Beech street captains are able to transition to captain on the Saab ... for FINANCIAL purposes only ... they were certain that if they downgraded those street captains to FOs on the Saab they would mostly all resign ... creating drastically increased training costs.

So I guess that whole "we are taking pilots by SENIORITY order, and that includes street captains" thing doesn't apply here ... just fantastic news for the FOs that have plenty of seniority and time to upgrade, yet cannot because of the bottom of the barrel street captains that need to transition to a captain slot so we don't lose them and create more training costs...

On the bright side though ... "we are in talks with ALL of our code share partners of operating our Saabs and Qs out of several different cities ... It is confirmed that we will be getting 15 Next Gen Qs beginning in 2010 ... so with these two situations comes room for more upgrades and more growth ... I can count on one hand the number of regional airlines growing right now ... keep up the hard work and understand that this decision did not come lightly, and we understand the frustration many of you are feeling currently ... fly safe"

... I love memos ...

I'm pretty sure if we had ALPA this would never have happened ... then again, from the other side of the blocks, I'd rather be trying to keep us afloat as well with just about every regional airline furloughing right now ... This is one situation where I would NOT want to be in management's shoes

Let the venting/*****ing/cursing begin!!

Dude...I would love to be in management's shoes right now...if they sink PNCL Corp, they still have plenty of golden parachute money to last a lifetime...we don't....

Hearing about the crap you guys are having to put up with reminds me that no matter how much scheduling and mgmt still try to screw with us at 9E, it would be way worse if we didn't have ALPA...

When is the voting period for your all's decision?

Very soon ... We got the word about 2 weeks ago saying they filed to represent us ... so I'm hoping it will all be said and done before the end of Dec!!

u guys are funny. dont tell me u have nothing better to do than talk trash in a forum. but honestly.....i have nothing better todo than talk trasn in a forum. :D live for the moment change what u can accept what you cant and remember that attitude (as well as confidence) is EVERYTHIING. but im sure you guys already know that u know with being bored enough to talk trash on a forum :)

if you had ALPA what wouldn't have happened? getting more airplanes or the out of seniority upgrades?

LOL, well, I don't think ALPA has one bit of say as to whether company purchases more aircraft ... that would be a little ridiculous ... I said that in regards to the out of seniority transitions/upgrades

If you Colgan guys just voted in ALPA the first time then you would not be screwed thank all of your union busting brothers. The least you can do to them is slash there tires and put there cars on the roof. It won't fix your upgrade situation or your really crappy below industry standard pay that brings all of us at Horizon down when it comes to getting a better contract. But it might make you feal better flame on Bit2hes

Can everyone just focus on the fact that the company submitted the list of eligible voters to the NMB today (six minutes before the deadline)! And that a vote will be scheduled soon.

There are also going to be a lot of events coming up.......

www.alpa.org/colgan