I've heard the CVG rumor as well. Sadly what I think is going to happen is Delta will take away from Comair to make sure they fulfill ASA contractual limits because of two reasons,

1. They own CMR and can do whatever they want with their planes, schedule.

2. ASA is actually cheaper than CMR.

Damn it takes a XJ FO 8 years to match the pay of a 2nd year 70 FO at ASA

But they can upgrade to the SAAB under a year and make $45/hr

Hey you forgot to mention that your regional is better then ours! Seriously guys, I know I sound like a broken record but delta really isn't having an easy time cancelling contracts. The truth is they may renegotiate the 80%, but JA doesn't give things away and I don't think he will let any airline he runs go down because delta wants to violate the contract they signed when they sold ASA to skywest. Do you really think that a court would go with delta if they did? Delta has no legs to stand on in that fight. Mesa and Pinnacle had bad performance and the courts sided with the regionals, In ASA's case, the performance has moved from last in dci to about the middle and Delta knows that with the ground staffing in ATL that's about all we can do, that's why our numbers are pretty much identical to DAL's. I really don't think ASA will take concessions without retribution.

Not any more...it's probably about a 2-3 year year wait...right now the upgrades have on average 1.5 years and it's a Saab, sometimes 9 legs a day...no APU...those guys deserve that...you work your A** off in that plane

using the facts provided by this website

Mesaba 2 year FO pay
25,200 pre-taxed and no union dues taken out...

ASA 2 Year FO pay on the 50-seater
31,500 pre-taxed and no union dues taken out...

ASA 2 Year FO pay on the 70-seater
34,200 pre-taxed and no union dues taken out...


The 70 seat FO @ ASA makes almost 10 grand more pretaxed...than a 76 seat FO at Mesaba...no wonder why you guys aren't getting any more airplanes...i'de love to stop eating hotpockets and ramen noodles, as an XJer I'de love to get paid what you guys do...I never see that happening especially with the bankrupcy train we just got off of, and you can bet when our contract comes up they'll dangle these airframes in front of us like meat to a pack of wolves

XJ pilots, don't you have a snapback provision?

Yea but it isn't enough to make a difference it's an extra dollar if that for an FO anyways(just an extra hotpocket)...I believe it starts Dec 1 due to having 100 A/C on property

Even with the extra 15 900s on property it won't make SAAB upgrade drop thru the floor? With as junior as Mesaba is I wouldn't be surprised if they asked for street captains again.

They hired fat...which is probably the reason everyone is anoyed with XJer's and how we've been talking about more airframes...I was flying the CEO of XJ an DAL down to ATL and back out of MSP in July, so they knew all along something was up...I can't believe no one spilled the beans at the GO...they overhired on the Saab a year ago and finally have gotten caught up in the last few months...trust me no Street Captains...they have plenty of people with the mins...it is a junior company but I'de say alot of the guys we've hired came in close/ if not at ATP mins anyway, especially lately...most of the street captains we were hiring a year ago had 5,000 hours of ERJ time from Eagle....we have way to many pilots for them to start doing that again....when the hiring spurt started a year and a half ago, they were putting the people with more hours in the Saab as FO's because of the very reason which is upon us today...some of the guys flying the 900 and the 200 when the spurt came upon us have over 1100 hours on the jet just at Mesaba...I just don't see it happening

Thanks for the info. Understood