Originally Posted by buffmike80 (Post 497173)

I don't really have a problem with the check in, Jetblue does the same thing, 24hrs-3hrs before your show time you call crew voice press #2, enter employee number, pin, and #1, then done, took less than a minute.

Originally Posted by cubflyer (Post 497186)

MESA Pilots,

I can't believe your MEC has sent this out for a vote.

1. Deicing and not getting paid for it????!!!!!???? It is a fact that crews are "operating" the aircraft during the deicing phase. There are deicing checklists, switches to flip, and overall alot of responsibility to properly deice. GEEZ.....what are they thinking??!?!?!?!?!?!?:mad:

2. Two hour check-in? Sounds like the company wants you on their property so that they have more time to tinker with your schedule (i.e. Junior Man).:mad:

3. 2.1% pay increase AFTER 2 years??????!!!!! It's a known fact that salaries increases in general aren't keeping up with inflation.:mad:

4. No swaps / trades????!!!!!????

Good luck guys and gals. I'm sure I speak for the masses that your TA is garbage. Stand firm and send a message!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Originally Posted by Ski Patrol (Post 496997)

Which legacies require the sign in? I'm not aware of any but have done no research on the matter. My current job does not require it.

Still babysitting to me. Keeping folks accountable that's what the 45 minutes prior is for and the ten minute call after that it's in the GOM, course I'm sure you know where it's at.

Check in at mesa = pandora's box for crew trac (also the F8 certificate lock for contract admin)

Good luck I hope it works out.

Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 497200)

Unless I missed something, we would get paid for de-icing under the block or better provision.

No provision for repositions across the airport.

A big time NO from me, but wanted to clear up the de-ice thing. Block or better is the only improvement I see in this contract. The rest of the items are concessions.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 496348)

Block-or-better might be nice, but the folks most impacted by that are UAX...did you guys get the word that UAL is requiring deicing at the gate, BEFORE you block out? They are enforcing this with monitors. So you shut the door, then sit at the gate for 2-3 hours waiting for the iceman...and it does not count as block. No surprise OJ gave that one up.

Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 497212)

He's getting the entire "no pay for deice" from Rick.


UAL is cracking down on out times as a way to reduce cost. Now they want to deice at the gate (meaning you don’t drop the brake until cleared for push) so they don't have the pay more in block cost and on-time bonuses. At outstations they don’t want us dropping the brake until cleared to taxi. This means that your Pre-Start, Engine Start and Pre-Taxi checklist are all done Pro Bono (although Pro Bono denotes “for the good of the public” and in this case it’s “for the good of UAL”). United actually has employees in the ramp towers tracking the out times and penalizing airlines for not adhering.

Bunch of freaking Nazi’s.

Originally Posted by hslightnin (Post 497266)

Then we should learn the AA taxi procedure.

Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 497212)

He's getting the entire "no pay for deice" from Rick.


UAL is cracking down on out times as a way to reduce cost. Now they want to deice at the gate (meaning you don’t drop the brake until cleared for push) so they don't have the pay more in block cost and on-time bonuses. At outstations they don’t want us dropping the brake until cleared to taxi. This means that your Pre-Start, Engine Start and Pre-Taxi checklist are all done Pro Bono (although Pro Bono denotes “for the good of the public” and in this case it’s “for the good of UAL”). United actually has employees in the ramp towers tracking the out times and penalizing airlines for not adhering.

Bunch of freaking Nazi’s.

Originally Posted by buffmike80 (Post 497322)

I can't really believe this, if it were true UAL's D-0 would go to 1% and they would not want that either, plus you have to drop the brake to be pulled into the tug, and how would that conversation go with the chief pilot "um you guys blocked out before you pushed" Pilot: "Um yeah, we did."

Originally Posted by winglet (Post 496513)

Fellow Professional Airline Pilots,

These are the TERMS of SURRENDER. I've attempted to boil down this new TA as I read it. (Any Corrections Welcome).

Two year agreement with a three month early opener.

Preferential Bidding System based on 12 month bid cycle:
Either party can terminate PBS by 01 Jan 2010
Items to be discontinued if PBS terminated:
a. Scheduled vs. Actual
b. Line guarantee
c. Bid for Training
“PBS will construct as many regular lines as efficiently as practicable”.
“monthly parameters may be changed to optimize schedules.”

Pairing construction:
Two ALPA Scheduling Committee members will be “permitted to participate” in the pairing construction with objectives to “maximize pilot’s flight time during a given duty period” and “ensure the ability to carry out the maketing schedule”.
“The company may withhold up to five percent (5%) of know flying per aircraft”.

Pro-rated minimum days off. When availability “is reduced due to Vacation, Non-Recurrent Training or Leave of Absence, or other absences, days of will be prorated”.

Example: In a 30 Day Month; If awarded 7 Days for Vacation; Then original 11 days off are prorated down to eight for a total of 15 days off for the month. 15 days off total including Vacation.

Minimum Days Off per monthly bid period: 11 days (Line and Reserve)

Minimum pay guarantee for reserve pilots of 75.83 hours.

Scheduled or Actual:
“Pilots will be paid the greater of the scheduled(original trip value) or actual block time (including deadhead time”, calculated by flight segment for the bid period”.

Premium Pay:
Junior assignments 200% rate of equipment flown.
No premium pay for volunteer on scheduled work day.

FLICA continues:
No swaps trades or drops outside of domicile.

Pay Rate Increase:
FO pay increase by 2.1% on 01 Jan 2010.

Improper reassignments
“If an improper reassignment occurs, the pilot will be paid premium pay”.
“The pilot will be returned to his original schedule as soon as practicable”.

Self-Notification: “Pilots will check in for the shift/assignments between 24 and 2 hours prior to the beginning of the first shift/assignment for a trip pairing”.

No decline for Standing Bid/Displacement awards.

One year seat lock for Freedom Certificate awarded/assigned pilots.

:mad: I'm voting NO due to:

NO pilot staffing requirements
NO Junior Assignment restrictions
Forced Self-Notification
NO increase in days off for line holders (2 days per yr.)
NO PBS protective language (parameter changes, etc.)
Schedule or Better tied to acceptance of PBS
Line Guarantee tied to acceptance of PBS
Training Bidding tied to acceptance of PBS
NO trip/duty rigs
NO pay increase for line holders
Insulting 2.1% FO pay increase not until 2010 (Inflation rate currently 4.9%)
Vacation, Leave of Absence or Non-Recurrent Training considered days off under prorate schedule
Ambiguous language remains
NO declining Standing/Displacement Awards
NO pay increase for volunteering on scheduled work day
Swaps and Trades limited to domicile
Stressfull and disruptive negotiations begin all over again in two years
Unbelievable term "Improper Assignments" actually in TA
Managements ability to discontinue PBS at their leisure leaving us with NO improvements

I ask everyone posting comments to keep it professional and use constructive language to help convince our pilots at MESA that this TA is substandard and that if we stick together we can send it back for the improvements we deserve. Many of us here at MESA are trying everything we can to improve the industry under the most adversarial circumstances. Please support the MESA Air Group pilots during these difficult times.

Thanks,
Winglet
MESA Line Pilot