How TOUGH is Great Lakes Training
11-28-2008, 02:29 PM
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How TOUGH is Great Lakes Training
Okay, we've all heard how high the wash rate is at GL, why is it that high? Whats so difficult about it? Is it because sub 1000hr pilots are in over their head or is their training just hardcore? Lakers please share your stories....
11-28-2008, 02:47 PM
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I was offered a job there back in june and did some research. seems like most people i talked to said that it was the sim portion of initial training and more specifically the lack of the trainees instrument scan. i've also heard that they expect you to know ndb approaches and if you don't (planes i learned on didnt have adf) they wont teach you or hold your hand and just flunk you since there is always an abundance of applicants. This is just what I've heard on the forums and may not be the whole story. im sure there are other factors but i've heard this is the main problem
11-28-2008, 03:52 PM
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NDBs aren't that bad especially since they have RMIs in the cockpits. Arcs are a piece of cake with RMIs as well. All you do is follow the needle and match the heading. However I can see that if you have no sense of awareness and poor instrument skills and some cross winds you're probably not going to do well. Still not bad at all, all it takes is one good day of continuous approaches on flight sim with an airplane that has an RMI. If you need help, you might want to find a senior instructor at your local airport and do an hour or so of sim with them. By the way I can't belive it's almost 2009 and we're still talking about NDBs.
11-28-2008, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate
NDB's huh... Haven shot those since my IFR training.... Gotta love the GPS overlay. I can see if you havent shot an NDB in a while that would be the portion that'll weed ya out.
11-28-2008, 08:44 PM
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I was in the September class at Lakes on the Beech. I was hired with fairly low time and was afraid of the training. If you know how to study hard, fly ndb approaches, and have a positive attitude, it should not be too hard. However, it was much more stressful than college or anything else I have done in my life.
11-28-2008, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by iflythewest
I was in the September class at Lakes on the Beech. I was hired with fairly low time and was afraid of the training. If you know how to study hard, fly ndb approaches, and have a positive attitude, it should not be too hard. However, it was much more stressful than college or anything else I have done in my life.
I would hate to shoot NDB approaches again!USMCFLYR
11-28-2008, 09:41 PM
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Lakes training is difficult because they don't care if you succeed. They won't go the extra mile for you and you'll get the bare minimum that is needed to succeed. It's up to you to put forth effort to make it through training. Lakes also expects a lot. They are very through and in-depth on systems, limitations, regulations and operations etc. They will not hand feed you this information, it's up to you to learn it and know it!
As I've said before you'll leave Lakes a very good pilot and everywhere else you go training will be a breeze!
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As I've said before you'll leave Lakes a very good pilot and everywhere else you go training will be a breeze!
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11-28-2008, 09:50 PM
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I have heard the same thing..... i have not experienced it myself, but have a few friends that have gone through the training lately. They said exactly that, they don't care if you make it or not, and there is no second chances if you fail a test etc. But if you study and don't expect a second chance you will make it.
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