ASA overstaffed- LOL where?
 

I guess all of the over staffing everyone always talks about has to be on the 200 because this is the 5th day in a row that I've looked at the reserve bucket for 700 FO's and we are at bare bones coverage.(actually it's pretty much been like that every time I've looked at the list for the past 4 mos.) I would love to hear from some 200 FO's on what kind of staffing you guys have on your list.
Well just my thought for the morning!!!

56 on today's list. Yesterday was the shortest I'd seen in in a long time, though. (I didn't count the folks yesterday.)

Couple of min coverage days coming up for us.. 3 days showing in December.

Still.. overstaffed? Make your conclusion and I'll make mine. I drove in to work once this month so far.

Just 3 days at min coverage in a month would be nice. Every day I have asked for for the last three months has been denied due to min coverage; and I haven't been asking for weekends or holidays off. But then again, at Horizontal pilots don't get access to the actual coverage numbers so they are probably lying to me.

didn't get called this month yet.

I am on the 700 and I have flown 2 legs this month. Before that overnight I had not flown in 4 weeks.....that is not cool and not a good sign

Yeah it's funny, they use to say the 700 was the senior a/c and it took over a year to hold a line. Well now that I am coming over from the ATR I should have went to the 70 instead of the 50 because I would be holding a line RIGHT NOW on it, while on the 50 I will be like 40 #s away from holding a line. Hoping that when summer rolls around I will be able to hold a line, and if I do that means I will have sat reserve for over 12 months before getting a line.

stay on the 50 please!! haha It will most likely be way over a year before I even come close to a line on the 70. Each month my seat number keeps going down and I think there are about 18 or so guys in training for the 70 from the ATR that will jump into the middle of the pack.

Buddy of mine started with SKW last November and he won't hold a line until next summer. That's over 19 months on reserve................in ORD!?!?!?!! Plus he was on reserve for over 12 months before that at MAG. It could be worse………….you’re not furloughed.

BTW, we are all in the same boat. Long live the king……………I mean Jerry. :rolleyes: :D

Oh yeah I am in no way complaining about being on reserve, like you say I am just happy to have a job at the moment. It just frustrating to see ppl from Mesaba and such who sat reserve for maybe a month rub their monthly endeavors in the face of people like me that really irritates me. Great you barely sat reserve, but why don't you show some class while you are at. Everyone is going to have to sit reserve sometime in their career. If it isn't now, it most certainly will be later on down the road in your career.

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Man I Know what you mean! I work at ASA and sat Reserve 2 months... oh wait...

Its all about timing man. I am sure that I will end up sitting reserve at some point in my life...

PS hire date was 6/07 on the 50. Dec sched is 3 days, 18 days off and 83 hours.

~m

I hear you......... Spike "Jerry’s Kool-Aid" with something good, sit back, eat some turkey and enjoy your family and friends.

BTW, here’s a joke a really good friend of mine told me:

“If the Indians had given the Pilgrims a donkey instead of a turkey, we’d all be getting a piece of ass this thanksgiving.”

Hahahahahha................I love it.

Just to put this in context, your also working four days starting on the 25th.

I wouldnt worry too much about the guys at XJ that only sat reserve for a little while. The exact same thing happened at every other regional out there not more than a year ago. It was the Mesaba guys who were sitting reserve for quite a long time before our current hiring boom. There are FO's on the 200 that will sit reserve for a long time. Dont get irritated by them, its not as bad as you think it is.

Oh Vegas... have fun reporting at 9:50am on christmas when I'm at home eating and watching football! :)

Maybe some of us can get both! Not me.... but somebody! Ha

Too bad in about 2-3 months you will have about 35 ATR FOs ahead of you, so maybe your schedule won't be looking so hot after that.

Zing! The 700 is where its at anyway!

I just read the email from the MEC and they say the red arrows this far out have no meaning -

from the email: “down arrow” days... are posted on the bidding software before the reserve coverage is uploaded in the system. This provides a false indication of “low coverage days” and is sending an incorrect message to the pilots when they see this...

So I'm going back to edit the original post.. but figured most of 'ya wouldn't notice an edit that far back. So there ya go!

I'm just curious what the DOH for the most junior captain is at ASA. I was a 10/05 hire, and I'm wondering if I would've been holding a Capt spot had I stayed.

Looks like August '05 is the most junior.

But is he going back to FO, with the downgrades, because I know a couple of ATR CAs who were hired in 04/05 and are being downgraded.

Not sure, but he's a captain for december, because I looked at the december awards to find Aug. '05

Just curious, what's the hire date of the most JR FO at ASA?

I am pretty sure the last class was May 08. I was in the 2nd to last class in Mar 08.

According to the July 08 seniority list, the very last person on the list was hired May 5, 2008, and he is number 1731.

Aren't the ATR's going away soon? Won't that create an over-staffing without the addition of jets?

I sat reserve at Mesa for 3 weeks last year. It was nice. Although right now I have crap 80 hours lines with 12 days off. This summer was good. 90-95 hours with 14 days off a month or so.


But I'd much rather sit on reserve at ASA (I live in ATL) working for a good carrier like them, then working at Mesa right now. :eek:

<---- jealous :p

Where have you been? They have been slowly going away since September, the lasts one will officially be done on December 1st. Though they have me on reserve after that for some reason, so much for the paid vacation!

So you are going to be sitting reserve on an airplane that we will no longer operate? Not a bad gig my friend, not bad at all.

not to hijack the thread but at eagle in the northeast on reserve we're flying like 10-20 hours a month...this month i've flown twice for a total of 7 hrs...there's no flying to do yet they have a buncha guys on reserve everyday...it sucks....we re hearing they may hire in january...or they may hire in july...who knows

Yeah ASA is extremely overstaffed. Maybe the 700 has some low coverage days but as a whole we have hundreds more pilots then we need. The truth is they should have stopped hiring somewhere around dec 2007 but i don't think that they saw the slowdown coming as quick as it did.

The last alpa fast read says that the company recognizes they are overstaffed by 100-350 pilots. I think 350 is a little bit much but im sure they will reevaluate the pilot staffing model once all the ATR guys are through training. I would put us about 150-200 pilots overstaffed. If we lose anymore flying the company will have to furlough, they will have no choice.

I want to bring up the point that with the loss of the ATR we thought we would at least be retaining the ATR flight hours. Now it looks like Mesaba will take those routes. Delta will be in violation of to major aspects of the contract. The total airplanes will be violated as they fall below 151 and the 80% of ATL flying will also be in violation. Delta was at 80% before the loss of the ATRs, now we have to be below it. I'm sure ASA has been speaking to Delta about this and the truth is Delta hasn't been doing well in court. If Skywest does feel the need to excercise some muscle I think delta would be forced to fulfill the contract terms or at least renegotiate a contract that is beneficial for both sides.

Yea this is freakin ridiculous... I have no reason or desire to be in NYC except to sit reserve. After all the time I've spent here I've flown under 10 hours this month. Way to go crew planning...

At least, like myself here at ASA, you have a job

bet you guys wished you had come to mesaba right about now to fly the 9's we got from you...

Again its not a 9, unless you fly the DC-9 and i doubt any of us wish we were at mesaba!!!

Mesaba might be one of the only airlines that is growing right now, but they are by no means the "decent airline" to be at right now. What the heck is your deal?

ASA Overstaffed
 

Since the other thread was shut down, I thought we could start up another one and discuss the original material. Please don't post on here if you have anything pertaining to the argument on the old thread. Both sides were in violation of the forum rules, so let's just leave the closure of the thread as closure for the topic and move on.

SO!.....Anyone have any more insight on the overstaffing at ASA? Discuss....

I heard that ASA is accepting resumes now...I find that odd since most ASA pilots I talk to say you guys are very overstaffed. Any truth to that rumor?

ASA has never really stopped accepting resumes. We are overstaffed, I am looking at RES for ATLEAST another year. There is over 100 people on RES in just the 200. The last of the ATR guys are now comming to the CRJ, today is the last ATR flight.

Thread re-opened.

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