You know what small thing sets me off. How about you..?
 

Don't know why this ****es me off so much lately! As an FO I understand there are many things that come with the job. One of them, is filling out the crew info on the way to the hotel in the van. This is of course after I have helped the F/A's cross seat-belts and called for the van to pick us all up (by choice). Now, I have never once minded doing any of this for everyone, as for the hotel log, it takes no time to complete and is easy to do! I'll usually write the van time on everyone's card and the room #'s for the captain just as a courtesy. What ****es me of though, is after helping everyone else out, when the log is passed back the flight attendants will roll their eyes and give it to me with the "I'm above doing that, let our FO b_tch" do it attitude! Once again, it's not the task of doing it, it's the freaking attitude! Now, I do fly with a load of good crews where this is never an issue and we all help each other out, lately though I seem to get the lazy-_ss do nothings. Sorry for the rant and I'm probably bit_ching about something I should be used to by now, but can't help it. By the way, if you happen to hear on the news tomorrow that a pilot has assualted a F/A by crossing a hotel clipboard across their head, that'll be me...cheers :)

Sounds like you are letting yourself get crapped on.

-I never fill out anyone else on the hotel log, unless I decide I want to...usually not.

-I do not help FA's with belts unless we are behind schedule.

Show me where in your duties does it say seatbelts and hotel logs? The most I will do is loan my pen to the FA because they never ever have one. When was the last time a FA came up front and did your job to help you out?

You will always be treated at the "FO b_tch" as long as you let them

Dont help her crossing seat belts next time.

Wow. If that's the worst thing that happens to you during a trip then lucky you! Sounds like either through tradition or convention, the b!tch work of filling out the hotel sheet has fallen to the lowly FO at whatever company you work for. Seems odd to me. Where I'm at, whoever gets it first usually fills it out or we just rotate (3 crewmembers...3 nights on a overnight. Seems like a fair division of duties).

If the attitude of the FAs/CA bothers you that much and you wanna be a stinker about it, put down a 3am wakeup call for the offending party (only works if you have a later van:D ).

Now that's a GREAT idea!!!!

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Also, a good point!

Is this custom at most airlines, at the two I have been at we just passed around the clipboard and filled it out on our own. I guess for a few reasons, sometimes we could pick the rooms we wanted and other big one is when you want a wake-up call.

How about FA's that refuse to open the cabin door, even though they arrive at the aircraft first? That kinda bugged me...if you can't do your job (opening the door would qualify as part of their job), then why are you here?

Do not let yourself get walked on. I had an FA tell me(not ask) I needed to carry her bag up the stairs. I told her I had a sore back and couldn't do it. She looked miffed when she saw me helping the rampie with the pink tags after a flight.

In my experience so far it has always been whoever is closest to the clip-board or whoever grabs it first.

If pilots are letting people walk over them for that no wonder management has there way with us.:eek:

I have found fellow crew members complain about me:

taking the big room
taking the good side of the hall
taking the room on the good floor
being too far away from a female's room (I wouldn't hear her cries for help)
being too close to a female's room (I might drill a hole between our rooms)

I have had one CA tell me:
I MUST have a wake up call
I MUST sleep during a stand up
The FAA says 8 hours, the company 12 hours, but on his trips it is 24 hours
Never, EVER sign the sheet before the CA.

Some folks need to get a life.

Never try to reason with an FA that has a seniority complex. It's like trying to reason with a crying infant. I kindly remind them of the chain of command, and how they fall below the FO, and leave it at that.

You're off duty, and off payroll by the time you get to the van. Do whatever you want to.

One CA tried to manage my rest period (and the FA's) re. alcohol. HIS policy (applied to all crew members) was 16 hours or therabouts (company policy = 8 hours). I took him aside and explained that my hourly rate was $40...if he wanted to me live the 14 hour overnight on his terms he would need to open his wallet and fork over 28 crisp $20 bills.

He sputtered some crap about PIC authority and told him to call the CP (whom I know) and have the CP call me if needed. End of story :rolleyes:

You are correct sir, once you walk away from the plane, it is your time. The hotel van is anyones territory. I have seen captains try and exercise their off duty authority and make fools of themselves.

Word, the PIC is in charge of the plane....he is not in charge of what I do off duty, unless it violates SOP's or FAR's.

That really Grinds my Gears....

That, my friend, is awesome. It is always nice to put somebody in their place that truly deserves it. Let me buy you a beer. Only, of course, if it is more than 16 hours from duty :p

work at great lakes and you have no flight attendant... lol

Why not? Is there a reason not to help?

I have never seen anyone here fill out the hotel log. We usually let the FAs go first and they each fill out their own info and then we go and each of us fill out our own info. Never crossed my mind to fill the whole thing out. I help the FAs with the belts only if I am ahead and they are behind or it is the last flight of the day and I want to get to the hotel.

Why would I help them at other times? It is not overwhelming to them and its part of their job. Now, if they do my walk around for me when its raining or below zero then we are in business.

I once had a flight attendant treat me as the newbie who she could get to do random things. That was corrected very quickly on the trip. As the FO you are higher up the chain than the FA, just as the CA is higher up the chain than you. Don't forget that.

I love how FA's like to try and check the FO. I had a FA get bossy because her FA seniority number was lower than mine

BINGO

BINGO

Everyone has a job to do. As I said I will help if we are behind. Also, I am on a 34 seat saab, not a 50 seat rj. Most of the time the FA is sitting in the front row of seats talking on their cell phone, not rushing to get belts crossed.

Tsa..........

Do you really believe this is confined to the regionals? I've sat on plenty of major airline jumpseats and heard the same complaints. It's just people being people.

Unless you get the Burrito Bomber.....

It's typically nipped in the bud pretty quickly at the major level since everyone has alot more experience- even the rookies... Just have to nip things in the bud quickly while considering how many spit bubbles you want in your diet coke.

If an FA has a seniority complex...a simple game of "let's count the stripes" will typically settle thing quickly.

Do you guys have really short turns where time is critical? My airline seems to have on average 40 min turns. Maybe thats why I usually have more than enough time to help out. I always go out and help the FA cross seatbelts. I agree they have a job to do, but it doesnt take any special effort to be nice. The sooner the seat belts are crossed, the sooner everyone can sit around and relax. On the other hand I will not help if the FA just sits there and assumes that I will do all of it. I used to fly a B1900 and I was the one that had to cross belts. It would have been nice if the captains would have helped every now and then, so I guess I appreciate it more.

If a F/A ever treated me like that, I would turn to her/him and tell them, "yeah no problem Ill fill in your info, I know your not smart enough to do it yourself".

Then I would proceed to ask them why they decided to become a regional F/A and how sad it is that they have no aspirations in life, and they should be smart enough to figure out that they could make more money at the mall and have more days off, but I guess if you were smart enough to figure that out on your own, you'd be smart enough to write down your own name on the clipboard :)



Of course I am not that mean and I would just give them a wake-up call at about 245am :)

Seriously, no disrespect to any FAs on this board that are training to be pilots, but uh... Even "senior" flight attendants do not have the education, experience, and level of responsibility that the FO has. Why would anyone let those roles get confused? If an FA rudely tries to pull a seniority attitude with you, tactfully remind them that you like your sprite with ice. But if they are true professionals, then by all means help them whenever you have the chance.

That's (sort of) hilarious. I had a captain try the same thing once....it was a long four day trip. He's actually sort of a nice guy, but unfortunately has developed a reputation that makes people dread flying with him. Not sure what base you are in, fortunately most people in DEN are fairly laid-back.

If I was her, I would then look you right in the eye and ask why you were willing to take a regional pilot job and contribute to the reduction of wages in your profession. Not to mention that the manager of the McDonald's you stopped at on the way to the airport probably makes more than you did for at least the first few years of your 'professional' airline career.

Grow up.

blah blah blah, I will make $51,000.00 in 2008 here at Expressjet, thanks for playing ;)

It was a joke, "LIGHTEN UP"

PS Why did you say if you were "HER", you sexist.................

I laughed when I saw this post; it usually takes something pretty fresh for me to actually chuckle from serious text on the web, but I gotta kick. I almost look forward to an encounter like that someday, just to use the above response with poise.

I'd hasten to add that I'd want an unopened can.

Wow, 4000 posts. I would call you a name but a mod would be around in a minute to hit me with a "name calling" infraction;)

Totally know what you mean. At Colgan the flight attendants have to straighten things up themselves after the last flight of the day (flip seats, clean seat pockets, take out trash and ice, dump hot jugs). Well we have a couple incompetent slooooooow FAs who literally take 30 minutes to do the whole thing. I started helping out the FAs that I like and also so that I don't have to wait 30 minutes to go home... after the last leg all you want to do is run home, you know? It's not like I'm getting paid after we block in. So anyway, I started noticing that the FA started getting slower.. and slower. Like, I'd take out the trash and ice and dump the hot jugs and mind you this is AFTER I've done my own walk-around... and she's JUST starting to clean the seat pockets. One night she actually told me after I did the walkaround, "The hot jugs have water in them." (meaning that I should dump them.) I had no problem helping them out before without ever being asked, but after she said it like it was my JOB I was so turned off. This is what happens when you help them out too much.. they EXPECT it of you. Now I tell myself that I'm not going to help that thankless youknowwhat, but every night I find myself standing around waiting for her slowa$$ to finish her job I just get so exasperated that I end up helping her do her job. :mad:

I had a FA ask me what she was supposed to do with the bag of semi-melted ice. I've seen the ice thrown out the service door (not saying I like it, but hey it works), so I said "throw the ice out through the service door." She didn't get to this right away, however, as I was making my way around the nose to the right side of the airplane, the ice comes flying out, still in the bag.

you son of a ----------- hahaha just kidding, I know 4,000 is a lot but lets be honest I have been pretty quiet the past few months

Glad to provide a chuckle. You should get another laugh when you see their reaction after you use that line tactfully. ;)

Some people are smarter than others. Seems like SAABarooski is right about some FAs.