2012 Boom in Hiring
12-15-2008 | 05:12 AM
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I'm a positive guy. As such, I hate to pour cold water on much deserved exuberance. However, I'm also a practical guy driven mostly by facts and I'm afraid I have some cold ones for you. The number of pilots reaching mandatory retirement age in 2012 at DAL is 2. That's right, 2.
"yea, but DAL is a relatively young group and they just merged with the old farts @ NWA and the flood gates of retirements will open from that side in 2012."
Sorry, wrong again. The total 2012 number from NWA is 15. On Dec. we became the largest seniority list in the world @ 12,400+ and a grand total of 17 of us will be forced to retire in 2012.
Now, it does pick up over the next 10 years from the NWA guys and the following decades from the original DAL guys but your salvation (or mine for that matter) does not lie in 2012. Any significant hiring at any level of the next 5-10 years will have to come from a strong economic recovery and the resultant growth in block hours.
It is true though, what someone said in another post. A young guy who gets hired at American in 8-10 years at the start of the wave will have an enviable, meteoric, and phenomenal career. If your 15-20 years old, start racking up that experience and your connections at American. You could have a 35-40 year career the last decade (if not longer) of which you'd spend as #1 on the list.
"yea, but DAL is a relatively young group and they just merged with the old farts @ NWA and the flood gates of retirements will open from that side in 2012."
Sorry, wrong again. The total 2012 number from NWA is 15. On Dec. we became the largest seniority list in the world @ 12,400+ and a grand total of 17 of us will be forced to retire in 2012.
Now, it does pick up over the next 10 years from the NWA guys and the following decades from the original DAL guys but your salvation (or mine for that matter) does not lie in 2012. Any significant hiring at any level of the next 5-10 years will have to come from a strong economic recovery and the resultant growth in block hours.
It is true though, what someone said in another post. A young guy who gets hired at American in 8-10 years at the start of the wave will have an enviable, meteoric, and phenomenal career. If your 15-20 years old, start racking up that experience and your connections at American. You could have a 35-40 year career the last decade (if not longer) of which you'd spend as #1 on the list.
There will be virtually no attrition until then, obviously, but at that time some airlines will start having regular retirements that will only increase in the subsequent years.
There will be jobs available again.
Look for most applicants to be 10000 hour RJ pilots.
07-14-2009 | 06:40 PM
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As I read the threads about airlines continuing to furlough through the end of the year, I wonder, is 2012 still the year for this hiring boom?
I graduate college in 2012 (I'll be a CFI by that time) and I'm starting to wonder if hiring will even begin by then.
Good luck to us all...
I graduate college in 2012 (I'll be a CFI by that time) and I'm starting to wonder if hiring will even begin by then.
Good luck to us all...
07-14-2009 | 07:29 PM
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As I read the threads about airlines continuing to furlough through the end of the year, I wonder, is 2012 still the year for this hiring boom?
I graduate college in 2012 (I'll be a CFI by that time) and I'm starting to wonder if hiring will even begin by then.
Good luck to us all...
I graduate college in 2012 (I'll be a CFI by that time) and I'm starting to wonder if hiring will even begin by then.
Good luck to us all...
Really, imo, flight training will have to be conducted in completely different manner to fill the needs of airlines.
07-14-2009 | 07:53 PM
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The boom will happen. For couple big reasons.
-Some of the furlough guys will not come back
-Age 65
-population will continue to grow, causing need in air transportation
-of course once economy recovers more people will shell out money for flying, and the business travelers will return
-Some of the furlough guys will not come back
-Age 65
-population will continue to grow, causing need in air transportation
-of course once economy recovers more people will shell out money for flying, and the business travelers will return
07-14-2009 | 08:38 PM
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"Pilot shortages" hmmmmm Yeah I'm still waiting for that whole vietnam era bulge. 
BTW there was no shortage in 08 & 00. Only a shortage of willing applicants to be at work for 300 hrs per month for 20K per year. Food for thought.
BTW there was no shortage in 08 & 00. Only a shortage of willing applicants to be at work for 300 hrs per month for 20K per year. Food for thought.
07-15-2009 | 05:12 AM
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