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Old 12-14-2008 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by UpThere
Without reading all the fine print, it looks to me like the cons outweigh the pros?
and 95% of the pro's Can be taken away with 60 or 90 days notice
yes its far fetched the company will take away PBS but they CAN if they want to
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Old 12-14-2008 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by DublinFlyer
Not necessarily. Do you remember that game we all played in elementary school called "telephone?" Where we get in a circle and tell a story, and by the time it gets back to the first person it's completely and utterly destroyed? Well - this is what I think is going on around here.

I wish we could have gotten a lot more, but I'm satisfied with this for right now. I understand both sides of negotiations and I understand why this is a good move for us. We could debate this all day and night, but at the end of it, it wouldn't make anyone more wrong or right for the way they voted, and we all know none of us on this board would change our mind about this ordeal (and even if we did we wouldn't admit it)! lol

I respect the folks that voted (whatever their choice was), and I'm very disappointed in those that did NOT vote. I think it's extremely childish how I've been reading about some threats of denied jumpseats and other such behavior. No one should be punished for voting a certain way. That's completely unnecessary.

I know most of you that are open minded will be able to look back and say "Well, maybe they were right about something." Just have an ounce of faith. Just a smidgen. I realize there are a lot of hurt, ticked off and flat out angry pilots out there that have been beaten down and abused - but it's being worked on. Things are changing one small thing at a time, and it won't happen overnight - even if we did get the best contract the industry has ever seen. Winglet has made a few excellent posts recently, and I hope I get the pleasure of meeting him one day (I'm sure I already know him! haha).

I'd like to ask everyone to just chill out for a bit and relax. What's done is done, and whether or not we like it, this TA is here to stay - so lets try and make the best of it.

Making stickers that say "400" while I think is actually a neat idea, it's a terrible idea in another way, and will do the exact opposite of unifying the pilots - it will only further divide us.

Best wishes to all my fellow coworkers. I'm staying positive, and I have some hope for the future. I hope I can help spread some of that - I know we need it. And to those at other airlines that are mature enough to realize what is going on over here and not just bashing us, thank you for supporting us, it doesn't go unnoticed - and I appreciate knowing that there are still some sane people in this industry, even though I'm probably not one of them.
Best post I have read in a long time... it is over and done with. It is much more popular to condemn someone else for our own issues than support them. Maybe if everyone supported Mesa pilots instead of trying to isolate them... their vote and contract might have been different. Anyway, congrats on the contract... you are a great group of pilots and hang in there.
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Old 12-14-2008 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by hslightnin
and 95% of the pro's Can be taken away with 60 or 90 days notice
yes its far fetched the company will take away PBS but they CAN if they want to
Everything that is linked to PBS is not so that the company wont take away PBS (they wont) it's so if the pilots don't like PBS and want to get rid of it the company takes back all the costs associated with the TA.

It seems the union thought it was important for us to get rid of PBS if we don't like it. However it is connected to all the good stuff so it is unlikely anybody will ge rid of it. The links to PBS are a pointless waste of ink.
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Old 12-14-2008 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by btwissel
heck, ask a senior Republic guy. i'm flying with a senior (top 10%) captain who needs to drop a day trip and can't.

pbs only works correct if its set right. and if the company's pulling the strings, it isn't
It helps if you bid right too, I talk to a lot of guys that have no idea what they are doing when they bid and the complain about it later. I like the PBS, typically I get what I want with in reason.
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Old 12-14-2008 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED
It helps if you bid right too, I talk to a lot of guys that have no idea what they are doing when they bid and the complain about it later. I like the PBS, typically I get what I want with in reason.
Exactly, I know what I am talking about.

If there is someone you like to be paired with, PBS can help. Don't like to fly with someone? PBS helps that too. Want certain days off? PBS works with that too.
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