How new and ignorant are you?

I know exactly what PBS is, and have seen it used by good friends.

Ask a United pilot how much they like PBS.

Ask an Air Whiskey guy why they have been fighting managements attempts to bring PBS in for years now.

Ask junior people at Republic how much they like PBS.

ALPA did a great job on you. You bought their dog and pony show hook line and sinker.

 

Clearly DENpilot as no idea what he's talking about.

You check in via phone or internet within 2 to 24 hours of the start of your trip. When you check in, scheduling can notify you of changes to your trip. Ex/addition of flying, roundtrips that have been dropped, or an entirely new pairing if they so desire.

The only glimmer of "good" in this is that we now are pay protected on our awarded trips, and are paid 200% on top of our scheduled flying for re-assignments.

DENpilot was attempting to say that it was good for reserves, in the sense that scheduling would know about uncovered flying sooner. What he failed to mention is that RSV guys will have to call in before each reserve day, and sit on hold to talk to a scheduler. Senior guys who are awarded day trips will have to call in before each trip as well.

DENpilot - you've delt with our crew trackers; what makes you think this will change how they operate? They will still call last minute, and not realize uncovered flying until no one but a ready reserve can fly the trip.

 

Except we only get the 200% pay IF there are no ready reserves and/or the flight is in danger of busting D+0 or A+14.

By this phrase I don't think we will ever see the 200%. THe company can just wait until the flight is going to be late before reassigning it to us or they just wait until they have used all their ready reserves. How many ready reserves are thecompany required to have available? Zero.

I see this as a concession.

 

Was the email today regarding the displacement award being done by the end of the week and the first training event being started in January the first effect of the TA?

Kind of convenient now that the company knows it will get PBS the displacents start happening. Hmmmmm who was it that said PBS will require more not less pilots?

 

heck, ask a senior Republic guy. i'm flying with a senior (top 10%) captain who needs to drop a day trip and can't.

pbs only works correct if its set right. and if the company's pulling the strings, it isn't

 

That's why this (PBS) is so desireable to the managers of airlines. It allows THEM more flexibility and thus they can operate with less pilots.

Good for them........not so good for pilots. In the hands of a company like Mesa, the results could be horrifying (and likely will be).

This check-in thing seems like a nice way of making demands of pilots during their off hours (without pay). If you call in on your time off with a cold beer in your hand (24 hours in advance) and they inform you they're junior manning you NOW for flying they need to cover, what'ya gonna do........call Ghostbusters ?

The rationalization of squandering this opportunity now because Mesa pilots will have a better opportunity of piggybacking other carriers with more leverage or guts during a "pattern bargaining" session in the future is flawed.

This agreement didn't offer Mesa pilots better odds in the future. What it did was actually made other carriers future negotiations more difficult, because the "box" of contractual boundaries that will be used by management got larger (i.e., worse and more in their favor). We all can rest assured that this piece of garbage will not only be highlighted in every regional airline bargaining room for the forseeable future, but will likely be on the wall behind the management side framed in gold.

Of course, when one sees ALPA national publicly claiming this as a victory, well........what can you say about a labor union that places self-serving facades used for the benefit of their own appearance vs. accepting the reality that everyone else clearly recognizes ?

Add these two together (ALPA national B.S. and a horrendeously bad agreement) and the future of regional flying is certain to be the extremely profitable sweatshop management wants it to be.

 

Read above.

 

Mesa got "brokeback mountained"!

 

Without reading all the fine print, it looks to me like the cons outweigh the pros?

 

Not necessarily. Do you remember that game we all played in elementary school called "telephone?" Where we get in a circle and tell a story, and by the time it gets back to the first person it's completely and utterly destroyed? Well - this is what I think is going on around here.

I wish we could have gotten a lot more, but I'm satisfied with this for right now. I understand both sides of negotiations and I understand why this is a good move for us. We could debate this all day and night, but at the end of it, it wouldn't make anyone more wrong or right for the way they voted, and we all know none of us on this board would change our mind about this ordeal (and even if we did we wouldn't admit it)! lol

I respect the folks that voted (whatever their choice was), and I'm very disappointed in those that did NOT vote. I think it's extremely childish how I've been reading about some threats of denied jumpseats and other such behavior. No one should be punished for voting a certain way. That's completely unnecessary.

I know most of you that are open minded will be able to look back and say "Well, maybe they were right about something." Just have an ounce of faith. Just a smidgen. I realize there are a lot of hurt, ticked off and flat out angry pilots out there that have been beaten down and abused - but it's being worked on. Things are changing one small thing at a time, and it won't happen overnight - even if we did get the best contract the industry has ever seen. Winglet has made a few excellent posts recently, and I hope I get the pleasure of meeting him one day (I'm sure I already know him! haha).

I'd like to ask everyone to just chill out for a bit and relax. What's done is done, and whether or not we like it, this TA is here to stay - so lets try and make the best of it.

Making stickers that say "400" while I think is actually a neat idea, it's a terrible idea in another way, and will do the exact opposite of unifying the pilots - it will only further divide us.

Best wishes to all my fellow coworkers. I'm staying positive, and I have some hope for the future. I hope I can help spread some of that - I know we need it. And to those at other airlines that are mature enough to realize what is going on over here and not just bashing us, thank you for supporting us, it doesn't go unnoticed - and I appreciate knowing that there are still some sane people in this industry, even though I'm probably not one of them.