The "TA"
12-12-2008 | 06:17 PM
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The "TA"
So the Mesa TA passed, the vote comes from a lot of things, if I recall anyone there less than a year can't vote, that would account for the 200 something. If they could vote they were fools for not regardless of how they voted.
Can anyone comment on what the TA actually covers. QOL issues, pay, soft money, block or better? I'd be interested in knowing what they supported.
It was the same before I left. The top third wanted to keep on keeping on, the middle third was interested in either making it better or burning it down and the bottom third couldn't vote. A lot of the guys in the middle moved out in the last boom.
PS Mr. Moderator, I didn't start this to throw stones, I am looking to see what the contract covers.
Can anyone comment on what the TA actually covers. QOL issues, pay, soft money, block or better? I'd be interested in knowing what they supported.
It was the same before I left. The top third wanted to keep on keeping on, the middle third was interested in either making it better or burning it down and the bottom third couldn't vote. A lot of the guys in the middle moved out in the last boom.
PS Mr. Moderator, I didn't start this to throw stones, I am looking to see what the contract covers.
12-12-2008 | 08:40 PM
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So the Mesa TA passed, the vote comes from a lot of things, if I recall anyone there less than a year can't vote, that would account for the 200 something. If they could vote they were fools for not regardless of how they voted.
Can anyone comment on what the TA actually covers. QOL issues, pay, soft money, block or better? I'd be interested in knowing what they supported.
It was the same before I left. The top third wanted to keep on keeping on, the middle third was interested in either making it better or burning it down and the bottom third couldn't vote. A lot of the guys in the middle moved out in the last boom.
PS Mr. Moderator, I didn't start this to throw stones, I am looking to see what the contract covers.
Can anyone comment on what the TA actually covers. QOL issues, pay, soft money, block or better? I'd be interested in knowing what they supported.
It was the same before I left. The top third wanted to keep on keeping on, the middle third was interested in either making it better or burning it down and the bottom third couldn't vote. A lot of the guys in the middle moved out in the last boom.
PS Mr. Moderator, I didn't start this to throw stones, I am looking to see what the contract covers.
418 - Yes.
400 - No.
Pros:
1) Block or better
2) Line Guarantee
3) Lucrative reassignment rules - 200% for reassignment on top of sched. flying
4) 12 month bid cycles
Cons:
1) PBS
2) 2% pay raise for F/O's in 2010
3) Check-in policy: Phone or internet 2 to 24 hours before each trip.
4) Open time paid straight rate - not 150% like it is now
5) 50% DH
6) Numerous small, yet concessionary items. EX/ Inability to decline a standing bid award.
12-13-2008 | 01:06 AM
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Pros:
1) Block or better
2) Line Guarantee
3) Lucrative reassignment rules - 200% for reassignment on top of sched. flying
4) 12 month bid cycles
Cons:
1) PBS
2) 2% pay raise for F/O's in 2010
3) Check-in policy: Phone or internet 2 to 24 hours before each trip.
4) Open time paid straight rate - not 150% like it is now
5) 50% DH
6) Numerous small, yet concessionary items. EX/ Inability to decline a standing bid award.
12-13-2008 | 04:02 AM
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Cons:
1) PBS
2) 2% pay raise for F/O's in 2010
3) Check-in policy: Phone or internet 2 to 24 hours before each trip.
4) Open time paid straight rate - not 150% like it is now
5) 50% DH
6) Numerous small, yet concessionary items. EX/ Inability to decline a standing bid award.
12-13-2008 | 05:34 AM
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You're DEAD WRONG about PBS.
It can be good or bad depending on who has control.
TWA actually had a well liked system (from what I've been told) and that was one of the few. In the hands of Mesa (with the work rules you have........er, actually DON'T have) with their bankrupt integrity, it'll be a nightmare.
My question is; What's this "check-in" deal all about ?
This sounds REALLY scary.
It can be good or bad depending on who has control.
TWA actually had a well liked system (from what I've been told) and that was one of the few. In the hands of Mesa (with the work rules you have........er, actually DON'T have) with their bankrupt integrity, it'll be a nightmare.
My question is; What's this "check-in" deal all about ?
This sounds REALLY scary.
12-13-2008 | 06:45 AM
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It's no big deal. You call or go online and check in as you would a passenger just so they know you know about your trip and you are going to show up for it. If you don't, they re-crew it. Sounds good for reserves....
12-13-2008 | 07:55 AM
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NO WAY! I hope you are being sarcastic...chalk me up as one who uses it and wishes for the old line system back. It can be good with the right management/labor cooperation, but it is a tool for management to use to increase productivity of lines and better forecast labor costs.
12-13-2008 | 08:07 AM
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12-13-2008 | 08:12 AM
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So the Mesa TA passed, the vote comes from a lot of things, if I recall anyone there less than a year can't vote, that would account for the 200 something. If they could vote they were fools for not regardless of how they voted.
Can anyone comment on what the TA actually covers. QOL issues, pay, soft money, block or better? I'd be interested in knowing what they supported.
It was the same before I left. The top third wanted to keep on keeping on, the middle third was interested in either making it better or burning it down and the bottom third couldn't vote. A lot of the guys in the middle moved out in the last boom.
PS Mr. Moderator, I didn't start this to throw stones, I am looking to see what the contract covers.
Can anyone comment on what the TA actually covers. QOL issues, pay, soft money, block or better? I'd be interested in knowing what they supported.
It was the same before I left. The top third wanted to keep on keeping on, the middle third was interested in either making it better or burning it down and the bottom third couldn't vote. A lot of the guys in the middle moved out in the last boom.
PS Mr. Moderator, I didn't start this to throw stones, I am looking to see what the contract covers.
"Still Grounded",
Here is a previous post I made regarding the new Mesa contract. The second half is a review of the highlights. I hope it answers your questions.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ne-pilots.html
Good Luck,
Winglet
