Delta hoses ASA again on pass benefits.

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01-10-2009, 08:05 PM

#171

BlaineFaban

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Originally Posted by Joemerchant

So where would Delta be now if ASA, CMR, Skywest, Shuttle America, Mesaba, and Pinnacle stoped flying? It is a two way street....not a one way street.....We need each other.....

When you step on my airplane.....I don't care if "Delta bought those seats".....

Delta would be using other regionals if they didn't exist. If THOSE regionalls didn't exist, then Delta would use OTHER regionals. And so on, and so on and so on...................

It is a one way street when the rubber meets the road.

01-10-2009, 09:16 PM

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kalyx522

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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski

unfortunately what once was a "perk" is now just not worth it as an airline employee. ASA is a vendor to DAL, why shouldn't a DELTA PILOT have priority over some other airline pilot, regional, or mainline?. Heck it is cheaper to fly on SoutWest then it is to get a buddy pass on CAL (some cases), but it is just the way it goes. I always thought if the seats were empty why make your own employee pay, but unfortunately airlines look at their employees as either indentured servants, or a source for an interest free loan, ie. take money from through pay cuts or charging them to fly in an otherwise empty seat, just the way it goes....

Agree with you. Aside from this whole argument about mainline v. regionals... I am going to play devil's advocate and ask, why is it wrong to expect free (or almost free) travel benefits as an airline employee? Isn't that the way it used to be? Aside from the fact that we do this because we love to fly planes... the biggest perk of working for an airline is obviously the nonreving. And if you think about it, it's not completely free, even when it's free. I see it as part of the compensation package, a benefit, just like health benefits that you get in exchange for your service. Benefits cost the company money, but they wouldn't be giving them out if it didn't benefit them also (attracting and keeping people on the job.)
A lot of guys are telling this guy to shut it because they have it a lot worse at their respective airlines... maybe THAT's something that needs to change. What I mean is, just because the $200 seems RELATIVELY a great deal doesn't mean that it IS. Maybe it just seems great because OTHER CARRIERS HAVE IT SO BAD. If US Airways can do it for free, why can't other airlines? (and yes, I know US Air is a crappy airline, and they ARE in worse financial shape than the others, but that's not because they give out free travel benefits.) Come to think of it, it's really curious how such a crappy airline with its crappy treatment of its employees has managed to retain the free nonreving. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised if they start charging us.)
I know it's been confirmed several times in this thread, but it's really hard to believe that ASA pilots have to pay to fly on their own jumpseats. That just seems so wrong to me. esp. for the guys that commute and thus have no choice but to pay the annual fee even if they never travel otherwise. I know some guys said Delta owns the seats, but seriously, do they own the jumpseat too??! Just how does it make sense that I (a non-DCI pilot) could jumpseat on ASA for free and an ASA guy has to pay for it?
The thing that I do envy about Delta nonreving is that I think you guys automatically get upgraded to business class if there is space, is this correct? For someone who travels a lot, the $200 is more than worth it for the upgrades. I've been commuting for almost 2 years on US Airways and have gotten upgraded... once.

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01-10-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kalyx522

Aside from this whole argument about mainline v. regionals... I am going to play devil's advocate and ask, why is it wrong to expect free (or almost free) travel benefits as an airline employee? Isn't that the way it used to be? Aside from the fact that we do this because we love to fly planes... the biggest perk of working for an airline is obviously the nonreving. And if you think about it, it's not completely free, even when it's free.

They have you work the first year for $18,000-25,000. The least they could do is take out a non-rev fee.

01-18-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp

This place has finally gotten as bad as Flightinfo.

Here's a clue... if you think the thread is dumb, don't read it and respond!

Who's worse? Someone who whines about an issue they thought was important, or the 5 or so posters who take 14 pages to tell him to quit whining because THEY don't have a problem with it, so he shouldn't either?

This guy is really a piece of work. He is the perfect example of the self appointed "elite". He complains about exactly what he is doing. He says it is getting like flightinfo, yet he was tossed from that forum for claiming to be bangin' another guys mom. Now that he has been caught in a lie, he will stick his head in the sand and disappear. A real tough guy!