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Old 01-30-2009 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FXDX
Mufaza: I tell anybody who will listen that if you can get a job with a defined benefit (pension) from a government entity that it is worth its weight in gold. This is true for teachers, fireman, town administrators. The pension will be there every month (as long as the government entity doesn't go bankrupt, which is possible but not likely except maybe CA) no matter what. The peace of mind that can bring to your life is almost impossible to overstate. The airline job will always be there, and chances are your lifestyle right now, while your family is young, will be much better than as a junior commuting regional (or major for that matter) airline pilot.

I did 20 years in the military. Sometimes I fly with Captains much younger than me and I wonder if I should have made the jump sooner. Then I think about the looming furloughs and displacements at even the "best" carriers out there (including mine) and I thank my lucky stars that I stuck it out and got the retirement before jumping to the airlines. Having that back up takes a lot of the worry and fear out of the airline world.

I have discovered that flying for the airlines (FedEx) is an ok job. Its probably one of the best flying jobs out there, but it still is only an ok job. There are a lot of downsides to go with the upsides. I don't mind doing it for the 18 years I would have had to age 60. I sure don't want to do it for the 23 years now to age 65. I'd rather have that check coming in every month instead of another 10 years of seniority here any day. You can lose your medical at any time, get displaced or furloughed, but you will still have that check coming every month.

I wish you well in your decisions, keeping in mind that this is probably one of the worst times in modern history to try to get an airline job, but I strongly encourage you to stick it out and nail down that retirement before jumping ship.

Best of luck.
Im glad to hear from a person with so much experience and I thank you for your advice. I think you are right. For me to leave a secure position with excellent benifits and retirement, just to pursue my desires, would be very selfish! I have a wife and two small children who also depend on me. I really have a strong desire to fly for the airlines but im afraid that might have to wait. I am 28 years old now and I already put 5 years in the department. Another 15 years will put me at 43 years of age and maybe it wont be too late to pursue it then. Its like you said, at least i will have some financial cushion when that time comes. Thanks for helping me get my head out of my a**.
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Old 02-06-2009 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MUFAZA
Those guys in Cali are makind a fortune compared to us Fl. guys. Here in Florida, your a cop first, then a pilot!! ...........

Hey, MUFAZA, even in California, we are cops first and pilots second!!! We just get paid better than in most (not all) other places in the USA. I've got almost 32 years on with my Southern California agency, the past 11 years with our Aviation Unit. As a "Flying Sergeant" - Sergeant with flight pay differential, plus my longevity pay, etc - I make about $145K/year, without overtime, and there is plenty of that if I want it. (Keep in mind the cost of living is fairly high in Southern California) I get to fly both fixed wing and helo, and am generally having a great time in the twilight of my L.E. career. Let me tell you a couple stories:

First story: About 30 years ago, I faced the same dilemma you are now facing, at almost the same age as you are now. I was working patrol in South Central Los Angeles, having the most fun anyone can have with their clothes on, working the inner city crime filled streets, but I was also working as a part time flight instructor at a local airport. I had some previous scheduled Part 135 experience and about 2000 hours of multi engine before getting out of flying full time and becoming a cop, and I heard through the local airport grape vine that United Airlines was hiring. It was, I believe, 1980 or so. I applied, and after going through all the stuff, interviews, invite to Denver to fly the DC-10 sim, etc, I got a job offer..... but eventually turned it down. I had originally left flying full time (right before I became a cop) because I was bored with "gear up, autopilot on" and didn't like being away from home; and in the end, despite the potential major airline pilot job, it was those same reasons that caused me to re-think the airline job decide not to take it . But I had a couple of buddies that DID get hired by United, at that time..... and, as I recall, their first five years went something like this: they were hired in 1980, furloughed in 1981, back to work in 1982, furloughed again in 1983 and then not back to work again until 1985. After that, I think they were ok, and were Senior enough come 9/11 not to take a hit again at that time. So the truth is, even if I had gone with United in 1980, the likelihood is that I would have been begging for my cop job back come that first furlough in 1981! And, as I am now close to retirement, I am certainly VERY glad that I have my cop retirement benefits to look forward to, and not a United employee's retirement plan.

Here's the second story: About 10 years ago, one of my buddies, another cop/pilot at my Dept, who had always harbored the dream of being an airline pilot, applied for, and got hired by SkyWest. He decided that rather than retire from the Dept (which he was eligible to do at that time), he would take all of his accumulated time off (vacation time, comp time, etc) - I think it was about 8 weeks off - and then just go through the initial training at SkyWest....... so he left himself the option of coming back to his gov't paycheck and his airborne law enforcement job. And good thing he did. Turns out, that he was not all that thrilled with the regional pilot lifestyle. The final straw occurred one day when he was assigned to ride jump seat with an EMB120 (I think) crew, and he ended up talking to the Captain, the FO, and the FA about his previous job as an airborne law enforcement officer. And the Captain said something like this to him: "So let me see, you want to leave a government job, where you get the excitement of chasing crooks and putting them in jail; you get - generally - whatever time off that you want; you are home most every night; you have a great retirement plan; AND you make more money than ME (the Captain), and the First Officer, and the Flight Attendant, all put together !!! - and you want to leave that job to come do this? Are you crazy?" And that was when he realized that yes, he'd have to be crazy to do that, and he left SkyWest and came back to his airborne LE job. He is, finally, retired now, and has a job flying jets for some cargo outfit, I believe.

Take these stories for what they are worth. And you can always fly part-time while still being a cop...... I always have, and am still doing it.

Feel free to PM me if you wish.
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Old 02-06-2009 | 07:31 PM
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Mufaza, there is another option for you if you want a 'change of pace' - Customs Border Patrol is hiring pilots too! I have got a friend there and loves the job. He is also one of those 'cop first, pilot second'. I'm waiting on my application to CBP right now and hope to get called soon. One thing with CBP is that there is the opportunity to go to other places and do more than what you are doing right now. Just my .02 cents that have been devalued to .0000000001 something in this economny...
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