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02-01-2009, 10:06 PM

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Blkflyer

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Originally Posted by Lowlevel

My list of airlines above was a list of airlines that are non-English speaking, not a list of airlines that make mistakes.

MV? Sorry, no MV out here in furlough land

Well I Saw Freedom in there somewhere unless its just late and I am seeing things if you did include them I was unaware they were a non-english speaking airline. sorry about being out in F land..

02-02-2009, 04:53 AM

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flynavyj

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When did freedom stop speaking english?

02-02-2009, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by flynavyj

When did freedom stop speaking english?

According to the original poster they never have. The message is subtle but the same old line. Freedom sux comair awesome.

Course he makes a good point a little more emphasis on proper radio phraseology at MAG (for the newb's) would not be a bad thing.

02-02-2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lowlevel

Especially the ground controllers that have to deal with Olympic, Freedom, Saudi, Iberia, TAM, and other non-English speaking crews every day.

Hahahahaha

Some of them are kinda rough, huh?

I agree on the proper phraseology post, too.

Is it really so hard to readback: "Cleared to land, runway 31 Left, Freedom 6123" instead of just "Cleared to land 6123"

And it's not just Freedom pulling that one...

02-02-2009, 08:28 AM

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OH my God people stop whining about the guy not saying Comair makes mistakes too. Especially you BLKFlyer!
This list is a list of airlines that have made mistakes for BLKFlyer
Alaska
American
Continental
Delta
Hawaiian
Northwest
United
US Airways
Air Canada
Air Canada Jazz
Air Labrador
Air Transat
Bearskin
Calm Air
Can Jet
Cargo Jet
Central Mountain Air
First Air
Kelowna Flightcraft
Westjet
Airtran
Allegiant
Aloha
American Eagle
ASA
COMAIR (thats for you BLKFlyer)
ExpressJet
Frontier
Jet Blue
Mesa
Freedom
Midwest
Republic
Skywest
Southwest
Spirit
Sun Country
USA 3000
Virgin America
ABX Air
Air Net
Ameriflight
Arrow
A Star
ATI
Atlas
Capital
Centurion
Empire
Evergreen
FedEx
Flight Express
Kalitta
Kalitta charters
Lynden
Mountain Air Cargo
Murray Air
Polar
Southern Air
Tradewinds
UPS
Air Wisconsin
Cape Air
Colgan
CommutAir
Compass
ERA
GoJet
Great Lakes
Gulfstream
Horizon
Island Air
Lynx Air
Lynx Aviation
Mesaba
PenAir
Piedmont
Pinnacle
PSA
Skyway
Trans States
Avantair
Citation Shares
Flex Jet
Flight Options
Net Jets
Plane Sense
XO Jet
Key Lime Air
Miami Air
North American
Omni Air
Ryan Int.
World
Xtra
Air New Zealand
Alitalia
Cathay Pacific
Emeirates
Qantas
Air Cargo Charters
Kenmore Air
Pan Am
PSA
TWA
British Airways
KLM
Air France
Luftansa
Korean Air
Asiana
JAL
BMI
Cityline

02-02-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Atwoo155

Yawn.........

02-02-2009, 02:24 PM

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Yawn..eh Grow Up we all know every thread with Mesa eventully gets Close cause it usually turns into personal attacks, I have read this post from the start and I call it like I see it, its FLAME plane and simple...

So ATW flame on...

02-02-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Blkflyer

Just for clarification, you think the original poster made up the runway incursion?

02-02-2009, 02:35 PM

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Certainly NOT Cyrcadian.. I am just saying the Post was already laying Blame as to what happen who did it and how bad they are.

We are too quick to judge and not wait for the final report, it seems that when it comes to Mesa/Freedom that we tend to convict them before we have all the info, Mind you his post was based on Second hand communication I am not saying it did or didnt happen cause I was not there to see it so I will reserve judgement for a later date.

02-02-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Blkflyer

Certainly NOT Cyrcadian.. I am just saying the Post was already laying Blame as to what happen who did it and how bad they are.

We are too quick to judge and not wait for the final report, it seems that when it comes to Mesa/Freedom that we tend to convict them before we have all the info, Mind you his post was based on Second hand communication I am not saying it did or didn't happen cause I was not there to see it so I will reserve judgment for a later date.

I beg to differ. If you read my original post, all I stated was that the ERJ crossed the rwy as traffic was landing and that I was wondering if anyone had heard anything on the incident. I even put in parenthesis (allegedly without a clearance), because it has not been ascertained as to whether they received a clearance or not.

Read the whole post before you jump off the handle and start posting ridiculous unsubstantiated comments.

MAN! I used some big words there! I must be SMRT!