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About Nov of last year when we were still losing about 70 pilots a month and everyone was hiring like crazy... there was nobody to hire but non-english speaking pilots. Not saying that they are not good pilots, some are! Just saying, we hired 'em when that's all there was out in the pool...

As far as the incursion thing, remember the ASA one last year in ATL where DAL had to rotate early and missed 'em by a wingspan? That one turned out to have some degree of controller fault for not issuing standard terminology to ASA if I recall correctly. As far as standard radio phraseology goes, I have NEVER heard more crap come from a controller than at JFK. Now, this may be because I have never been to LGA, I don't know how they are over there. BUT, JFK controllers have dirty mouths, bad attitudes and I hear 'em with the radio chat back and forth ALL THE DING DONG TIME. Bad JFK, BAD BAD BAD!

Those F8 pilots could very well have been issued a clearance to cross 22R on J- I have gotten this clearance a couple of times while still rolling out on 22L! There is a hot spot at that intersection for a reason- and this just reinforces it. LOOK OUT YOUR DANG WINDOW, CLEAR THE RUNWAY BEFORE CROSSING. I hope never to make that mistake, but in the past I have been very cautious about crossing and will continue to be so. What's the rush anyhow? It's NY!!!

 

Mod note:

This thread is rapidly drifting off course and into the standard regional bashing back and forth. I'll give it a chance to get back to the OP's original question. If the rest of the posters can't focus on the runway incursion and would rather talk about who does or doesn't make a mistake, then take the dicussion to the PMs.

USMCFLYR

 

This is what I said in my 3rd post of this thread

"'Count me in as skeptical as well the news media would have a field day with something like this..

I suspect this tread will turn into another bash MESA/Freedom free for all and will get locked by the mods..''


Just as I predicted the Steelers would go Bird Hunting and bag some cardinals I predict this tread will end in few more post

 

You are correct and I gave the thread a chance to prove you wrong and show that an actual worthwhile discussion could come from this subject; and now I have given it one last steer. To that end posters......do you WANT this thread to continue or not?
Btw - great game. I had no druthers either way, but it was anybody's game to the last!

Now...does anybody have anything to say to get this thread back on track?

USMCFLYR

 

Hey No one could mess with the Steeler Defense, the Cards played a good game too but the Steelers ROCK

 

EXCELLENT POINT!!! Do NOT take anything for granted and try to be aware of what is going on around you. In this case it would have been difficult, as 22L and 22R are normally on different tower frequencies. At this point in time we do not know who was at fault (and we may never find out). Also, the media is not aware of every incident. Just because you didn't read about it in your local tabloid doesn't mean that it never happened.

 

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As far as standard radio phraseology goes, I have NEVER heard more crap come from a controller than at JFK. Now, this may be because I have never been to LGA, I don't know how they are over there. BUT, JFK controllers have dirty mouths, bad attitudes and I hear 'em with the radio chat back and forth ALL THE DING DONG TIME. Bad JFK, BAD BAD BAD!


That's like me saying that "all F8 pilots are morons and that they should be put to sleep!"

 

All I can say is I'm amazed. Yeah you know what I mean.