New FACTS from NTSB on Colgan 3407
03-20-2009 | 03:17 PM
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1)OK, but should you rely on that as your sole GS indication? I'm not saying I haven't done it, but we as pilots are taking a risk when we do it.
2)That was not mentioned at first, but based on that I would say that depending on the altitude at which the deviation and stabilization occured I also may have continued the approach.
3)No flaming intended, but before you go jumping down somebody's throat and telling them to save it for their Chickenhawk, you may want to actually to specify why you continued. Perhaps if you mentioned the GS stabilized above 1000 ft AGL, or some other specific detail then others wouldn't have jumped in.
03-20-2009 | 03:23 PM
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There was no deviation of the localizer. We were dead on it. I was aware of what obstacles were around me. I knew what the highest obstacles were that were in my flightpath. I also had the terrain mode backing me up. Those, in addition to the Captain wanting to continue, is why we did.
03-20-2009 | 03:24 PM
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I was simply trying to understand why you were using what in your own words was an unsafe situation as a safety recommendation.
03-20-2009 | 03:29 PM
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There was no deviation of the localizer. We were dead on it. I was aware of what obstacles were around me. I knew what the highest obstacles were that were in my flightpath. I also had the terrain mode backing me up. Those, in addition to the Captain wanting to continue, is why we did.
Like I said, I'm not saying you were wrong. I just think you flamed boilerpilot, and he was just curious. Based on your original set of facts, it was a gray area as to if the decision was safe to continue. Thanks for sharing the rest of the facts. As I said earlier, there is a chance I would have made the same decision. I wasn't trying to armchair QB, I just think you overreacted.
03-20-2009 | 03:33 PM
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There was no deviation of the localizer. We were dead on it. I was aware of what obstacles were around me. I knew what the highest obstacles were that were in my flightpath. I also had the terrain mode backing me up. Those, in addition to the Captain wanting to continue, is why we did.
03-20-2009 | 03:43 PM
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A chamilion shifiting to fit the latest revelation of holes in your story. Just admit that you shouldn't have continued, it would have been found in your NTSB investigation if it didn't work out so well anyways. If you or anyone is expierencing what you described, it is obvious that the best course of action is a go around, nothing you have responded with is an adequate reason for continuing. I think this is an embellished and over-inflated story, or at least I hope it is (cause I might have been unlcuky enough to try to j/s on this flight). If you weren't in VMC (which you already said you weren't) why the heck do you continue a ILS with this kind of indication?
Everyone is going to have a varying opinion on anything no matter what happens.
03-21-2009 | 04:20 AM
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It was a very dump thing to do, but I have done worse things. The important thing is that you learn from it and hopefully have the courage to tell the captain he is an idiot putting everyone at risk. People die when we make mistakes and being at Colgan through this whole thing I can tell you it isn’t fun seeing the victim’s families cry their hearts out from losing their loved ones.
Please take this as constructive criticism and go talk to that Captain or somebody else if you have to. You could be saving other people and stopping another tragic event!
03-21-2009 | 09:23 AM
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No, there are no new facts as of yet. Last I read the NTSB is in the fact-finding stage and no new information is being released to the public. They may be conducting a public hearing soon to find new information though.
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