Originally Posted by John Pennekamp

Try this on for size. A furloughee is bragging on the ALPA message board that he voted in favor even though he was told he wouldn't be eligible to vote.

Does it seem ethical that the furloughees got to vote on this (even though they were on inactive status before the vote closed)? Wouldn't it be nice is the 38 votes this thing passed by were furloughees voting themselves a check?

Originally Posted by ML64711

JP- you have absoutely no basis to even suggest that the 38 other yes votes were made up by furloughed pilots voting before their inactive status, just because one pilot was "bragging" on the ALPA board.

The way the numbers worked out, i believe only 60ish pilots of the 80 were requesting any assistance on their COBRA. The monthly total was roughly a $15 contribution per pilot. This could be substantially less if and when the COBRA part of the stimulus package is put into place and ASA has to kick in 60% of the costs for 9 months or pilots find other interim jobs that offer medical insurance.

The fact that you would even be flaiming people and your fellow pilots over an amount that costs the same as a few trips to Mcdonalds or roughly 50 cents per day is disgusting and shows your true colors when backing your fellow pilots. Judging from your pathetic "its not my problem" attitude I hope you never end up on the street or in a bad medical situation like Eddie Cordle and needing to request the assistance of others. For 1st year pay, GA unemployment quoted me a whopping 183 per week for 16 weeks. How are you supposed to live and pay COBRA off that? But, I forgot, the Acey 80 are just a bunch of whiners that want to complain our way to being able to put food on our plates and have an insurance policy in our pockets. Disgustingly pathetic, isnt it JP?

Originally Posted by RamenNoodles

Why is it that you always have to find a downside for absolutely everything? Regardless, probationary pilots (I.E. the furloughees with less than 1 year service following the completion of IOE) are ineligible to cast ballots for a vote. So, no, the 38 votes that passed the furlough assistance fund were NOT furloughees writing themselves a check.

Originally Posted by John Pennekamp

It's not just me who's questioning this. If you log onto the ASA ALPA message board, you'll see several pilots questioning this. Pilots not known as complainers.

Apparently ALPA National has had so many calls about this that they're considering "doing something" about the vote.

Originally Posted by RamenNoodles

EVEN IF the furloughees WERE permitted to cast a ballot, it's the fault of the remainder of the pilot group for failing to vote that caused the vote to pass. There is no excuse for so many people to not vote. Anyone who failed to vote has NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN!

It is my personal opinion that the complacency of the ASA pilots to vote should allow the standing vote results to remain intact.

Of course I am completely biased because I am 100% for this assistance fund. I would certainly want this to pass if I suddenly became unemployed, and so would the majority of all other pilots.