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02-26-2009 | 08:59 AM
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If you are a student pilot, no PIC/SIC, even when you are solo.
I am applying for the Japan 767 contract jobs, and you are ONLY allowed to count PIC/SIC (multi-crew or single pilot) time. So, even your INSTRUCTOR time doesn't count towards the 3000 minimums, much less solo or student, or anything else!!!
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I am applying for the Japan 767 contract jobs, and you are ONLY allowed to count PIC/SIC (multi-crew or single pilot) time. So, even your INSTRUCTOR time doesn't count towards the 3000 minimums, much less solo or student, or anything else!!!
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Not sure I understand your last two points. If a student pilot is solo, why not log PIC? I did, I mean, who else is PIC on a solo?
Also, as an instructor you are signing for the aircraft. I'd think that's the legal definition of PIC per 91.3, is it not?
02-26-2009 | 09:01 AM
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SICs can log time if they are required for single pilot "passenger" airplanes and there is no autopilot. If there is an AP, then technically they're not needed at all. To me if you're acting as an SIC on any airplane it should still be legal time, you're doing something in a multi crew environment.
02-26-2009 | 09:09 AM
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SICs can log time if they are required for single pilot "passenger" airplanes and there is no autopilot. If there is an AP, then technically they're not needed at all. To me if you're acting as an SIC on any airplane it should still be legal time, you're doing something in a multi crew environment.
02-26-2009 | 09:16 AM
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1) The CA is on high mins (first 100 hours of PIC) under IFR.
2) The autopilot is inoperative under IFR.
Now, I could definitely see FOs logging sole-manipulator PIC, but I'm not sure how legal that is when an ATP is required to be PIC on a 135 leg. I'm going through the ops specs and I'm not finding much beyond just the rules laid out in 135.101 and .105. I know Cape's been doing this for years though, so I know there has to be a legal way to do it. Just not sure what it looks like in a logbook.
02-26-2009 | 09:25 AM
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You probably know this, but it's not just enough to have an autopilot. Under 135.105 the autopilot has to be of certain capability, and you need a waiver in your op specs to fly single pilot. Why these companies have an SIC could be for a variety of reasons, including but not limited to insurance or just that the company thinks it's safer that way.
02-26-2009 | 09:25 AM
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Scenic is OK they require FOs. PAC wings is shady, a PIC can fly alone.
02-26-2009 | 09:54 AM
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02-26-2009 | 10:07 AM
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Nice writeup. I do think that it's a bit different with Cape because in being a scheduled commuter carrier with multiengine airplanes, an ATP is legally required to act as PIC on a live leg. I'm pretty certain FOs are only allowed to log SIC on a 135 leg unless they have an ATP, in which case they wouldn't be flying as an FO in the first place.
Hell, I dunno. This was the subject of a pretty good watercooler discussion I had with a few other pilots a few weeks back. That was the consensus. Could be horribly wrong.
Hell, I dunno. This was the subject of a pretty good watercooler discussion I had with a few other pilots a few weeks back. That was the consensus. Could be horribly wrong.
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02-26-2009 | 10:33 AM
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Sec. 135.243 - Pilot in command qualifications.
(a) No certificate holder may use a person, nor may any person serve, as pilot in command in passenger-carrying operations --
(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.
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