Skipping 1st year pay?
02-28-2009 | 11:35 AM
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Interesting thread but fails to address a fundamental question:
Why is first year pay so much less than subsequent years?
The cost liability of initial training and the probationary nature of the first year of employment is universal. The argument to change this must address these two constants and recognize that the CBA pie is only so big. It's up to labor, via contract negotiations, to slice the value of the CBA to benefit the all of the membership.
So far, I haven't seen a strong argument that would convince a labor group to give up gains in a future contract on the current property for a hypothetical gain benefiting a narrow segment of pilot labor that's strictly dependent on cross company/union reciprocity.
Why is first year pay so much less than subsequent years?
The cost liability of initial training and the probationary nature of the first year of employment is universal. The argument to change this must address these two constants and recognize that the CBA pie is only so big. It's up to labor, via contract negotiations, to slice the value of the CBA to benefit the all of the membership.
So far, I haven't seen a strong argument that would convince a labor group to give up gains in a future contract on the current property for a hypothetical gain benefiting a narrow segment of pilot labor that's strictly dependent on cross company/union reciprocity.
02-28-2009 | 03:59 PM
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03-01-2009 | 06:45 AM
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"pay their dues" is not about compensation, it is more about gaining experience... the advantage to the company is they get to provide you the experience, and in return you work for peanuts on a horrific schedule to maximize their investment in you.
03-01-2009 | 08:00 AM
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A possible approach that would involve a court case:
In most states (AFAIK...it was where my airline was based though) company's are not allowed to recoup training costs (pay for training, training bond) if that training is required to perform the work you were hired to do and you were hired without bringing it with you. So, you could make the case that probationary pay (especially at like, Continental!) is in effect a recoup of training costs...
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In most states (AFAIK...it was where my airline was based though) company's are not allowed to recoup training costs (pay for training, training bond) if that training is required to perform the work you were hired to do and you were hired without bringing it with you. So, you could make the case that probationary pay (especially at like, Continental!) is in effect a recoup of training costs...
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03-01-2009 | 08:28 AM
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I see it as preserving the profession. If we started to do that, where would the line be drawn? Management would think that they can reduce the staffing for bag smashers and aircraft cleaners and schedule some time for the pilots to do it.That is not an excuse to not have a union....if that's what you're implying.
03-01-2009 | 01:13 PM
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Do you work for B6? You may see not wanting to throw bags or clean the cabin as being a "pretty boy". I see it as preserving the profession. If we started to do that, where would the line be drawn? Management would think that they can reduce the staffing for bag smashers and aircraft cleaners and schedule some time for the pilots to do it.
That is not an excuse to not have a union....if that's what you're implying.
I see it as preserving the profession. If we started to do that, where would the line be drawn? Management would think that they can reduce the staffing for bag smashers and aircraft cleaners and schedule some time for the pilots to do it.That is not an excuse to not have a union....if that's what you're implying.
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