Exactly my point. How can YOU tell those people you hear over the radio are not US Citizens, my point being, just because they have an accent does not mean they're not US citizens because this discussion (at least what it turned out to be) is US Citizen vs Resident and not Person A with accent vs Person B without accent or White Vs. Non White. You get my point? You probably have an accent to me if I heard you on the radio... :eek:

And btw im not flaming. I'm merely trying to mitigate the effects of your ignorance on this board.

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OK Folks, TexasPilot started this and has been given the appropriate infraction.

I haven't violated anyone for responding to his crap, but please return to a civilized conversation or move on.

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Check your inbox Rickair.

I have the utmost respect for green card holder pilots. They are the ones who came to this country with a vision and dream, and had the courtesy, respect and discipline to obtain their privilege to work here in a legal manner! I congratulate them for jumping through the hoops and doing it properly.
I much prefer this to the millions of illegal workers, leeching off the system.

Let me just throw this out there..

This is what a european resident/citizen must go through to get their JAA Licenses currently... (At least in Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal and Greece, all from which I have first hand knowledge...)

1) Get your certificates/ratings : 2 - 3.5 yrs. and $80 - $100.000 aprox.
2) Pay your A320 Typerating out of your pocket: $50.000, good for 6 months before it expires.

Pay for airline experience through intermediate companies based in Luxemburg or Spain, at aprox $110.000, where you are paying to work in a A320 for airlines in Romania, Malta and Bulgaria. This package includes 500hrs in the A320. It will probably take you 8 months to get those 500 hrs on type. You have to pay ur own apartment in this country as well as meals and all living expenses associated with it during the 8 months.

After that you can come back to ur country and stand in line for an instructor job at the local airport. As of 2007, there where 3500 pilots unemployed in Spain standing in line for an isnturctor job in a C172.

Dont you guys think for a second that France and England have the "standard atmosphere" in Europe. They dont set the tone for the continent.

I just wonder what these kids, that have spent a quarter of a million dollars in flight training, including as well doing some despicable things like paying to work, all of a sudden seeing a US Citizen coming over to EU and taking a regional job flying an A320 for Clickair for 1500 euros a month... I guess they just walked right into it by swallowing this "paying to work" thing...

Man Id love to be able to read their languages just to see what their forums are reading...

I guess I should just **** off back to England then! :)

I've been working and paying taxes in this country for 10 years. My family's business has pumped quite a few pennies into this country's economy and puts the food on the table of numerous other families. I've been a green card holder for 7 years and can't wait to get my citizenship. To do that I must rescind my British passport. I have to say that most of the rhetoric displayed on this thread is somewhat flawed. Are you people saying that we should put a hiring freeze on non-citizens until every American has a job regardless of profession or skill?

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i too have first hand knowledge how it s done over there.. it s though but not that though...
plenty of friends flying for the airlines there, none paid for their A320, B737 or whatever type rating.
that s only if you want to get an ATPL. airlines there are hiring with a commercial + WRITTEN ATPL. they ll give you your ATPL when you upgrade. i ll give you that getting a JAA license is a lot more expensive than getting an FAA one.


it s pretty easy, to fly here a foreigner must:
1-get an FAA license
2-have the right to work here
3-speak the language

to work there a foreigner (US citizen) must
1-get an JAA license
2-have the right to work there
3-speak the language


same goes both ways.
it s just as hard for a foreigner to have the LEGAL right to work here as for you to get the legal right to work in Europe.

Just a little information about JAZZ,

They are probably the highest paid regional pilots in the world. Very Senior seniority list due to the Merger of Air Nova, Air Ontario, Air BC, and Canadian Regional. All my friends who work there love the job but are looking at a 8-10 year upgrade to the Dash8.
They are hiring because Air Canada is cutting domestic and trans-border capacity and Jazz is picking up the slack. I believe its only 80 openings projected. And usually you need at least 2000 hours and 500multi pic to get looked at. Unless you are a recent Seneca grad...

Hope some people got something from that.

-resident alien since '94... can't justify the 1000 dollars to swear the oath...

Foreigners taking our jobs...
 

Here's something to ponder for ya... I'm a dual citizen, US-Polish (EU), yet no airline in the EU will even look at me because I do not actively reside there and don't have a JAA license, even if I were to get a JAA conversion I would still be facing an up-hill battle, as my 3000+ hours of experience is not on aircraft weighing in excess of 20 tons, therefore it is worthless.

I bet you if I showed up with DC-6 time they'd say it's worthless since it's not a turbine.

Dey tuk are jbzzz.

Great more permanent regional jobs being created at the expense of others. 10 year upgrade, I'm having American Eagle flashbacks...