For those of you that are going to be furloughed, if you haven't seen it already check out this thread... http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...n-classes.html

Lynx is hiring for a few classes coming up. Competitive mins are high.

well I'm sure you can find things to cut back on before you "need" to pick up OT. likie bringing your meals with you on a trip instead of buying food for four days straight at airport prices. There are a lot of things one can do to tighten the belt. I rarley have picked up OT while being at Eagle and have never "needed" to pick up OT to make rent. this is what managment wants. please find other ways to either cut costs and/or make a few extra bucks on the side before you go horing yourself out to the company for that little extra %20 2nd year FO pay while freinds of yours are on the street. In my humble oppinion there is no good reason to pick up OT once people are put on the street and I will be calling out FO's that I see doing it.

Picking up open time does not directly affect staffing levels. It can send a "message" like you said to management but in turn then they just reassign more senior crews and adjust line values higher. Staffing at most airlines is done on block hours. While it is a tough moral subject and personally wouldn't do it I find it hard to logically throw stones at those who do...

I work for another regional and dont know exactly how eagle forms their staffing model but I am just going off of what most airlines use. Does anyone know for sure?

I already take my lunches, my wife babysits on the side, and we cut every coupon we find. I don't have to explain to you why I need ot, and neither do other FOs. Sometimes there are no more corners to cut. I hate this situation but it is where we have been put. What will really show your character is how you treat all your pilot buddies, not just the ones on the street. Calling people out at the airport says a lot about how much thought you have put into this situation. Please don't make emotional desicions, take the time to think about all angles of situation. I've never had to pick up OT yet, but when I look into the near future I very well may. Let's keep out completion and on-time up and just maybe the bonuses will be enough. Should we even be getting those bonuses with furloughed pilots though? Seems to be a little hypocritical.

Picking up opentime does directly affect staffing levels. For every hour not picked up must be assigned to reserve pilots. This reduces reserve availability which affects staffing levels. If the minimum reserve for a day is X and consistently has been X-3 due to reserves flying trips assigned from what nobody picked up in open time then the company will probably hire some more (at least 3) pilots, or unfurlough some.

Just to be clear, I will pick up all the trips from other pilots posted on the board first before I would ever pick up OT. So let's keep puttin those up before we give it to crew scheduling/swaps and drops.

Notes from today's conference call:

-Furloughs due to low attrition, no additional CRJ or ATR aircraft in the future
-MEC has received numerous suggestions from the pilot group to help mitigate furloughs and/or financially help those affected. Will be meeting with the company to discuss.
-Furloughs may last until Feb-May 2010 if status quo doesn't change (Attrition and aircraft acquisition)
-No additional or drawdown of block hours.
-ATR issues in DFW are due to growing pains of reintroduction to mx staff and increased block hours per aircraft vs. SJU and MIA.
-75 is the "sweet spot" on a cost/benefit basis for retraining despite being 130 overstaffed.
-Displacement bid will be posted on 3/31/09

If there is anything I missed that someone else wants to add from the call please feel free. It was a very long call and I'm sure that much more can be added.

For those on the bottom (like me) this will sure be a crappy end to a crappy first year....(displaced 3 times and now the furlough) Thanks eagle.

If there are no more corners to cut than find a part time job that will allow you to work on your days off. picking up OT flying while people are furloughed is an awfull thing to do. I have put thought into it. And I can appreciate how tight a situation can be with a wife and kids but please think about what you are doing before you go around flying on your days off. Even picking stuff off the board is bad in this situation. That is flying that a RSV pilot could do. In the end you are only hurting yourself becuase the company wont see a need to bring people back thus making your QOL worse.

ANd no I wont be "calling people out in the crew room" but I will be paying attention to who is flying OT this summer while our guys are furloughed at least on the EMJ FO side. And If I see them, I might speak to them in private about their descisions.

I agree. I am about to start a part time job next month to help out. Quite honestly there wasn't much OT for DFA the past couple months and what OT there was really wasn't worth picking up. I can make more delivering pizzas or at some other part time job than picking up that 3 hours of flying with an overnight in OT burning two days off. Let a reserve fly that trip. At some point reserve coverage will be so high that they are going to have to run recall classes. The sooner they do that the better off all of us will be.

Im an RJ captain and I will pick ot whenever I feel like it because our contract allows it. You can have a chat with me anytime.

[quote=maveric311;587497]Even picking stuff off the board is bad in this situation. That is flying that a RSV pilot could do.quote]

Not true. Those are the sequences that people need off but can't get a PVD or something like it. Those are the ones I'm talking about. If I need the time, and someone needs to go to a wedding I feel no guilt for taking that trip because they would otherwise not have gotten off for this trip.

I am kind of in awe of this.. What if the union strongly suggested that no one pick up OT in order to make a statement to the company. Would that change your mind about it?

I am just curious because you are definitely the minority with that attitude.. at least from what I have seen.

Well you must be trying out for the next managemant position then. I hope I never have to fly with you.

The union cant and wont say so.

13 displacements out of LAX...:o

Where did you hear this? I'm a bit anxious to see this thing.... I have a feeling its going to be another big one.

well i'll say one thing is for certain...they're not getting my reflective vest back...

BWHAHAHAHA

I'm keeping mine as well!!!

posted in the hallway by the chief's office

CA or FO's?

Got ya. I'll have to wait for tomorrow when I go back to work.

Makes sense since they are regularly deadheading DFW FOs and CAs in to fly LA trips. :rolleyes:

What you are talking about is a "work action" and it's a felony. They will never ask us to do that. To attempt to organize one is illegal.

I didn't think it was the same since OT pick up is voluntary. It will be flown just by reserves. I would think that saying fly slow to create delays would be illegal. I didn't realize the two were in the same category.

So, uhhhh, where are the results? I looked on Jetnet and couldn't find them. Are they hidden somewhere?

They will be posted Fri at 4pm.With Revision 1 Monday afternoon.

I didn't get a chance to listen to the conference call yesterday but from the summaries I read isn't there supposed to be a displacement bid out today?

It doesn't, but it does put your ticket at risk. It takes your airline two hours to mel a window shade? Why are you blaming the captain for lousy maintenance?

It's out. Check your HI6.

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So 56 vacancies and 56 displacements. Shouldn't there be 75 more displacements than vacancies?

So by your logic, when your car breaks down in the middle of the freeway at night I should point and laugh at you as I drive by. Why? Because I can...

Soooo, for all the Eaglets out there, which is better between JFK and LGA? Are they roughly the same in size and seniority? Which would you choose between? And the odds are I'm junior to you so you can answer honestly without worrying that I'm going to take the one you want.

Yes you can. You are free to do so.

I am LGA now but I am going to look for JFK out of this. Only because I am moving out west and it is much easier to get to JFK.. Wide bodies and red eyes. LGA has cheaper crash pads though.. $250 JFK $150-250 at LGA.

Feel free to raise your concerns to the planning dept. that there should be more displacements.:rolleyes:

Do you commute? If so, you should consider whats the easiest.

Has anyone received a furlough notice yet?

Do you know if the JFK guys get reimbursed for the fair using the airtrain?

It's $5 each time you go in/out! Any jfk guys out there know the answer?