Originally Posted by Jetstream 823JS (Post 590802)

The problem is that these guys want to upgrade ASAP in order to get a livable wage.

Originally Posted by Big3win (Post 591741)

Holly sh*t, that's insane......................No wonder aviation will no longer be the safest form of travel.
Don't take it personally.........
You could be the best "stick" within a 500 mile radius, but with 1600 hours that is plain scarey. I will take experience over skill any day. Pilots skills are set early on. That said.....if you suck at 300 hrs you will most likely suck at 10,300 hours. At least the higher time guy will have enough experience to know his/her limitations.
I think it is safe to say we all have flown with lousy regional pilots and lousy Mainline guys. The only difference is the chances of two Lousy Mainline guys paired together is very slim. More hoops to jump through.The chances of two lousy Regional guys paired together is alot higher.
Yes, I have flown at the regional level. The minimum qualifications at that time were much higher. Heck I couldn't get an interview at 1589 TT. I guess things have changed............for the better?? I doubt it. I agree with many that the regional's are a place to gain experience. They are not a place to "learn to fly".
In response to the 60's the majors hired many with low time. It showed look at the past accident rates in the 70's-80's. The saving grace at the major's is most likely you will sit 5+ years in the right seat prior to upgrading.
We don't always have that luxury at the regional level.

My statements should fire up a few of you........Sorry!

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 590843)

My first captain position was the CRJ 900. I had 1589 TT(495 of that 121 FO time) when I finished OE. My first trip off OE was with a new hire FO that had 300 TT and it was his first trip off IOE as well. I had just turned 24 and my FO was 20 years of age.

Originally Posted by chuckyt1 (Post 591885)

Don't you have to have 75 hours to be paired with someone that doesn't. Or does the right seat time you had count?

Either way, scary :eek:

Originally Posted by btwissel (Post 591892)

each airline is different, but at RAH we can't fly "green on green" unless the FAA approves it (like when you add a new aircraft type to the fleet).

Originally Posted by chuckyt1 (Post 591912)

Mesabah,

I am curious. Much has been said on this forum about experience levels. How did you feel as a min time Captain with a new hire low time FO. Do you feel any differently now than you did then?

Speaking for myself (xx,xxx hours) I am still learning.

BTW, sorry for the thread drift...

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 591924)

I know this is going to sound strange, but since I'm so junior, I generally fly only the pop up trips with the most junior FO's. Usually this is the first trips these guys have off IOE. I rarely fly with a senior FO, so I find myself giving dual instruction most of the time. It's not an insult to the guys I fly with, it just they are so new to the job. I have learned so much by doing this.

Originally Posted by Big3win (Post 591963)

This is the exact problem with hiring with too low experience. A regional pilot should never need "dual instruction". Dual is given in a Cessna C-172, not a CRJ,EMB,Saab,Dash etc. When you arrive at a regional you may be green, but you should NEVER need dual. Explain that to your paying passengers in the back. I 'm sure they would rather take the train.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 592003)

They need it in airline operations, which is understandable, only a very few need actual flying help. However, it is hard to tell because the CRJ hides a pilots lack of instrument skills pretty well. In fact, I doubt a pilot would need an instrument rating to fly this thing.