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flynavyj 04-05-2009 12:29 PM

RAH and 190's
 
Alright, i know it's been brought up before. So today, i was giving one of our "old" flight attendants a ride back to RIC, and i noticed that she was wearing a republic lanyard. She mentioned that she's currently there working on the 170/75 and said that on weds. she goes for a type of differences training on the 190 because "we're getting 190's apparently"....Anyway, i know that flight attendants are often not the MOST reliable source for airline information, but was wondering if anyone else had heard any information of this type also?

Mister Hat 04-05-2009 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 590915)
Alright, i know it's been brought up before. So today, i was giving one of our "old" flight attendants a ride back to RIC, and i noticed that she was wearing a republic lanyard. She mentioned that she's currently there working on the 170/75 and said that on weds. she goes for a type of differences training on the 190 because "we're getting 190's apparently"....Anyway, i know that flight attendants are often not the MOST reliable source for airline information, but was wondering if anyone else had heard any information of this type also?

Fail. :mad:

flyguy23 04-05-2009 12:34 PM

Ahh, another flight attendant rumor. Still waiting on just one to come true.....

ImEbee 04-05-2009 12:35 PM

Is that the same flight attendant that suggested RAH is buying Compass? You guys have the most well informed FAs ever!

flynavyj 04-05-2009 12:37 PM

Think this one's a different gal, i actually didn't even know she was at RAH until i ran into her today she basically said "it's better, but still the same B.S. as Trans States" anyway, just thought i'd bounce it off you guys to see if you've heard anything, or, if it's common for RAH to do 190 training for the Flight Attendants also.

You never know, but she's never seem the type to NEEEEEEED to come up with B.S. just for the sake of doing so...I know some folks that do that however.

Mister Hat 04-05-2009 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 590924)
Think this one's a different gal, i actually didn't even know she was at RAH until i ran into her today she basically said "it's better, but still the same B.S. as Trans States" anyway, just thought i'd bounce it off you guys to see if you've heard anything, or, if it's common for RAH to do 190 training for the Flight Attendants also.

You never know, but she's never seem the type to NEEEEEEED to come up with B.S. just for the sake of doing so...I know some folks that do that however.


So have her show you her schedule with the training date, and some materials that say E-190.

I think that's reasonable, or you just really really really are bad at trying to flame bait.

UnlimitedAkro 04-05-2009 12:39 PM

I heard from a Republic flight attendant that the pilots at RAH are getting a flow through agreement with Eastern Airlines to fly the space shuttle. Any real confirmation?

flynavyj 04-05-2009 12:40 PM

gotta check my record chief, not a flame baiter, if i hadn't heard this, i wouldn't have brought it up.

contrail67 04-05-2009 12:42 PM

I don't think anyone is saying you did not hear it....but you believe it from a FA???? Actually made me laugh.

flynavyj 04-05-2009 12:45 PM

damnnit, i must be gulliable...


I will say this though, i HOPE we don't see any 190's at the regional level. Hope and Pray.

Tinpusher007 04-05-2009 12:47 PM

The idea of RAH purchasing them in and of itself is not impossible, but flying them for any US legacy carrier is.

king10pin02 04-05-2009 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 590915)
Alright, i know it's been brought up before. So today, i was giving one of our "old" flight attendants a ride back to RIC, and i noticed that she was wearing a republic lanyard. She mentioned that she's currently there working on the 170/75 and said that on weds. she goes for a type of differences training on the 190 because "we're getting 190's apparently"....Anyway, i know that flight attendants are often not the MOST reliable source for airline information, but was wondering if anyone else had heard any information of this type also?

Ive had maint. in CMH tell me they have been stocking parts for the 190, but I see their rumors in the same light as F/A rumors. I do not want to see 190s here...but id rather see them here then Mesa/GoJets

contrail67 04-05-2009 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 590933)
The idea of RAH purchasing them in and of itself is not impossible, but flying them for any US legacy carrier is.


And which US legacy carrier is allowing that right now...I forget.

flynavyj 04-05-2009 12:56 PM

is the current scope cutoff 90 seats? Believe the 2 class 190 is 94 seats, while the CRJ9's are 88 seats....

CaptKrunch 04-05-2009 12:57 PM

Didn't RAH just recently apply for a Cert to fly self branded?

Mister Hat 04-05-2009 01:01 PM

Yeah, branded flying works great for regionals! Hurry up Republic, do it!

king10pin02 04-05-2009 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 590939)
is the current scope cutoff 90 seats? Believe the 2 class 190 is 94 seats, while the CRJ9's are 88 seats....

USairways 2 class 190s are 99 seats, crj900/emb175 are 86

flynavyj 04-05-2009 01:02 PM

It wouldn't be easy to pull off, but flying big embraer's might make it a little more feasable....not easy non the less, and you'd have to walk lightly as to not tread on big brother.

king10pin02 04-05-2009 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by CaptKrunch (Post 590940)
Didn't RAH just recently apply for a Cert to fly self branded?

Shuttle America did, Republic certificate has had authorization for branded for years, and has wisely chosen not to do so. I know we have been doing alot of military charters and hear rumors of a semi-scheduled vacation charter

EvilMonkey 04-05-2009 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by UnlimitedAkro (Post 590927)
I heard from a Republic flight attendant that the pilots at RAH are getting a flow through agreement with Eastern Airlines to fly the space shuttle. Any real confirmation?

It's for Pan Am, not Eastern.

Tinpusher007 04-05-2009 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by contrail67 (Post 590936)
And which US legacy carrier is allowing that right now...I forget.

If you are being sarcastic, I think you misread what I wrote. I said the idea of any regional flying those things on behalf of a legacy is not possible.

RAHPilot5 04-05-2009 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 590929)
not a flame baiter

Are you a master.....?

ba da chiiiiiiiiing:D;)

Killer51883 04-05-2009 01:57 PM

i swear our flght attendants make up more rumors than the pilots. a few weeks ago one told me we were opeining up a base in germany to fly 190's for lufthansa.

Short Bus Drive 04-05-2009 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 590947)
If you are being sarcastic, I think you misread what I wrote. I said the idea of any regional flying those things on behalf of a legacy is not possible.

Never say never!!!
Or in this case... "not possible".
Unfortunately, ANYTHING is possible.:(

contrail67 04-05-2009 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by CaptKrunch (Post 590940)
Didn't RAH just recently apply for a Cert to fly self branded?

Kinda like that east coast regional.....uhhhh Independance Air?....REMEMBER? I am sure you don't. So much for self branding.

contrail67 04-05-2009 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 590947)
If you are being sarcastic, I think you misread what I wrote. I said the idea of any regional flying those things on behalf of a legacy is not possible.


No, I was serious....just did not know if any legacy airlines had released scope at that level. If they do, Plan on staying at the regionals for life.

250 or point 65 04-05-2009 02:45 PM

Who says they have to fly them for mainline or branded...if they just buy a mainline carrier.

Buying Midwest would give them a 4th certificate to fly 190's etc on. They pretty much already do all Midwest's flying anyway.

This situation would suck.

Bond 04-05-2009 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by 250 or point 65 (Post 590993)
Who says they have to fly them for mainline or branded...if they just buy a mainline carrier.

Buying Midwest would give them a 4th certificate to fly 190's etc on. They pretty much already do all Midwest's flying anyway.

This situation would suck.

Unfortunately, I think the Reverend set a precedent that many may try to copy. All we can do now is protect ourselves through our contracts, and hope that more "Lorenzo's" don't appear in the horizon.

Oh and by the way, if you're at a regional, and you're excited about getting 190's, you've got serious entitlement issues, and no ability to see forward into your future and your career.

flynavyj 04-05-2009 02:58 PM

Don't think you'll find many regional pilots looking for 190 aircraft at their airline.....but, you never know.....still hope we don't see them around any regional for a very very very long time. ....

CaptKrunch 04-05-2009 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by contrail67 (Post 590989)
Kinda like that east coast regional.....uhhhh Independance Air?....REMEMBER? I am sure you don't. So much for self branding.

Actually I remember them quite well. I was looking forward to interviewing there. Then they died. THE END.
But history seems to dictate a new airline either new or branded pops up ever few years and we are about due for someone to try again.

contrail67 04-05-2009 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 591002)
Don't think you'll find many regional pilots looking for 190 aircraft at their airline.....but, you never know.....still hope we don't see them around any regional for a very very very long time. ....

actually the guys at the regionals do not have any say in the issue....it is totally dependant on the guys at the majors and if they give it up...I really cannot see that happening.

Tomcat 04-05-2009 03:14 PM

Currently on our contract at Delta, the EMB190 & 195 are on the mainline contact and pay chart. We have a weight limit of 86K pounds for our regional sub-contractors with a waiver for 36 EMB-175's at Compass with a limit of 89K pounds. That the way it is until we have a new contract or we agree to a side letter to give away all of our narrow body flying (Don't hold your breath). Don't think it's going to happen. The tide has changed within our pilot group/union/ and company. 90-120 seats will be at mainline. Sorry boys & girls. Come on in the water is fine!!!!!!

UnlimitedAkro 04-05-2009 03:22 PM

... an RAH flight attendant said that water was pretty cold, but that could just be a rumor.

Tomcat 04-05-2009 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by UnlimitedAkro (Post 591019)
... an RAH flight attendant said that water was pretty cold, but that could just be a rumor.

It's deep too! :cool:

CaptKrunch 04-05-2009 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by UnlimitedAkro (Post 591019)
... an RAH flight attendant said that water was pretty cold, but that could just be a rumor.

If it was in the coffee on RAH flights, then I can confirm that rumor.

Jake Wheeler 04-05-2009 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by Mister Hat (Post 590941)
Yeah, branded flying works great for regionals! Hurry up Republic, do it!

It depends on the equipment, market and codeshares. It's coming, so brace yourself for it.

Bond 04-05-2009 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by Jake Wheeler (Post 591093)
It depends on the equipment, market and codeshares. It's coming, so brace yourself for it.

You almost seem excited about it! I could be wrong, and if so, please accept my apologies; but no regional pilot should ever be happy to see 190's on property. It's a mainline aircraft, codeshare or not, so for the sake of this profession, I hope you're wrong.

BarbieTrash 04-05-2009 09:28 PM

They (190's) could always go to Hawaii and put GO! outta biz. Don't need to be at mainline to do that...As for the rest RAH is giving money out like candy to their past and present mainline partners. This may be leverage to squeak some 190's in through the cracks...

Bond 04-05-2009 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by BarbieTrash (Post 591201)
They (190's) could always go to Hawaii and put GO! outta biz. Don't need to be at mainline to do that...As for the rest RAH is giving money out like candy to their past and present mainline partners. This may be leverage to squeak some 190's in through the cracks...


Respectfully, I really hope your wrong, otherwise you might as well settle in your "barbie jet", cause you're not going anywhere.

BarbieTrash 04-05-2009 09:48 PM

I hope I am wrong as well! Anything more than 66 seats is hazardous to my career progression. It's tough to see Mainline flying chipped away one E-jet at a time...


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