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Old 06-10-2009 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
My only concern is with "legal to start legal to finish". A 10hr day could easily be stretched.
My understanding is that the 10/14 he is speaking of is in line with the current 135 duty regs, and there is no legal to start/legal to finish involved..
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Old 06-10-2009 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Agreed. It's all about the rest. Of course if you Colgan or doing DAL flying with 12 legs in a day it might be an issue.
Exactly. Mgmt would be ****ing themselves if they could schedule small props 10 hours of flying a day. 1900 guys would be rocking 13 leg days and Saab/Dash guys 10 legs a day.
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Old 06-10-2009 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
My only concern is with "legal to start legal to finish". A 10hr day could easily be stretched.
It would like it does now...they have to block realistically. If they consistently need legal-to-start-legal-to-finish relief to complete the schedule, it is not realistic.
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Old 06-10-2009 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
6 Legs: 5 Flight (After this it gets impractical...or maybe a 5 or 6 leg limit)
Not when you're on a Bro in Socal.....
8 legs; a little over 5 hrs credit...


I do agree: leg count not the total flight hours is what's fatiguing

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Old 06-10-2009 | 11:56 PM
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We've been doing the 10/14 thing here at PenAir(135 time/duty exemption)...If you have long legs it works really nice...rarely do we do more than 6 legs though...but you could end up flying a ton more unless your contract caps the amount of hours you can work...we're all looking at around 120 hrs this month...
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Old 06-11-2009 | 12:40 AM
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Currently working overseas. 2 man regs:

Max duty day 14 hours reduced by 30 minutes per leg
Captain only discretion to extend up to 2 hours

Rest= Double the flight time with minimum of 10 hours

Not as many days off as the US but fatigue not a real issue.

Works very well.
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Old 06-11-2009 | 06:10 AM
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The proposal is basically what we operate under for 91k also (no legal to start/legal to finish either). No mandated time off in 7 days, but our contract takes care of that.
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Old 06-11-2009 | 07:50 AM
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As I recall, ALPA was against the 10 hours flight/14 duty idea in 1995. "We don't want to fly 10 hours a day." I never could get it across that the extra 2 hours rest every day would make up for the company building a 9.5 hour day every once-in-a-while. And I'm like GM, they need to at least raise the 7 day limit to 50 hours.
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Old 06-11-2009 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by rhoveesomething
Currently working overseas. 2 man regs:

Max duty day 14 hours reduced by 30 minutes per leg
Captain only discretion to extend up to 2 hours

Rest= Double the flight time with minimum of 10 hours

Not as many days off as the US but fatigue not a real issue.

Works very well.
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I really like the reduction of duty time based on leg numbers. That helps guys like me who fly many short legs in one day. This helps keep mgmt from scheduling 10 leg 14 hour duty days. Under this plan a 10 leg day would have a duty day of 9 hours
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Old 06-11-2009 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
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I really like the reduction of duty time based on leg numbers. That helps guys like me who fly many short legs in one day. This helps keep mgmt from scheduling 10 leg 14 hour duty days. Under this plan a 10 leg day would have a duty day of 9 hours
Yeah, figure the odds....
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