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mooney 06-27-2009 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 636034)
I hope you don't work for Pinnacle.... because if you do you are sorely misinformed as to what the scope lawsuit was about....

Do you deny Colgan pilots the jumpseat?

ygtb kidding me. I've never brought colgan pilots into any of my posts. It's not their fault. DO a little search of my post before you throw false accusations....

why don't you educate me as to what the scope lawsuit was about......it says plain as day in our contract any flying will be done by pilots on the Pinnacle seniority list. Pinnacle forms Pinnacle Corp and buys Colgan to award turboprob flying to pilots who they can pay less money to....hires like crazy for a while on the COlgan side, meanwhile we are displacing CA's

Scope is there to prevent other pilots from another seniority list flying your aircraft/routes etc, and also to prevent the purchase/lease of aircraft for another company to be flown by the other company. If you have a different definition I would like to hear it....

ExperimentalAB 06-27-2009 06:50 PM

Well played, 250...

powrful1 06-28-2009 06:32 AM

My questions are: since it appears RAH will own Midwest sooner than later, when are the 717s going, are Midwest pilots interested in integrating, and could you fly for RAH given recent history?

Also is Republic going to fly 190s on the Midwest cert or the Republic cert or some other cert?

frankwasright 06-28-2009 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by matlok (Post 627036)
For starters, I wouldn't be so bold as to try to jumpseat on the company I'm screwing over.

Even if I did, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if I was denied the jumpseat.

I hope he's denied a position on the RAH seniority list.

RAHPilot5 06-28-2009 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by frankwasright (Post 636256)
I hope he's denied a position on the RAH seniority list.

What goes around comes around.:mad:

powrful1 06-29-2009 08:43 AM

Maybe Willie flies and open air biplane and likes to free his willie in the air stream at 100mph.....only a thought.:p

Mason32 06-29-2009 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by subin30 (Post 626924)
had a midwest jumpseater who had a wise understanding of their unfortunate deal.

if your regional company/ceo (skywest, asa, mesa, pinn, etc) did exactly what republic did to midwest. how would you as the pilot group do anything differently?

- understand you as the pilots have no control over the decision to get 190's.

That is not true. NO other regional has negotiated rates and rules for 190's. Until RAH did it, there was no industry standard for it...


Originally Posted by subin30 (Post 626924)
- if your company now decided to get 170's or 190's i'm sure no one would complain or not bid for it.

what does that have to do with taking their jobs? what is the point of that statement... help the rest of us out here...


Originally Posted by subin30 (Post 626924)
- you've been with the company for 10 years plus when the pilot group was only 250 flying saabs and jetstreams.

again... what does this have to do with it?


Originally Posted by subin30 (Post 626924)
and now getting denied a jumpseat from midwest b/c you are considered scab to them. ofcourse he knew 190's were coming back then.

You are taking their job.... not by walking past their pickline as a newhire of Midwest.... but by your company signing a contract that says you will do all of their flying, and you'll bring your own airplanes to do it... same end result... they didn't hire you directly to replace them, they hired your company to hire you to replace them... same end result... actually worse, since Boeing jobs are being replaced with EMB's...

So, regarding the jumpseat.... what did you expect?


Originally Posted by subin30 (Post 626924)
- if not republic. it WILL GO TO SOMEONE ELSE.

Keep telling yourself that. Nobody else negotiated rates for 190's.... that will probably change now, since you guys have lowered the bar so much, others will be forced to compete or lose their jobs because of you too...


Originally Posted by subin30 (Post 626924)
again, as a regional guy, if this happened to you and your company. how would it be any different?

Already answered, over and over again, by everybody. if you don't grasp that concept by now, just give up


Originally Posted by subin30 (Post 626924)
im hearing words like scab, bottom feeders, worse then gojets, towards republic pilots and f/a's.

You guys should hear yourselves.... you say the same things, and sound exactly like the folks who are already on a really long list that gets passed from pilot to pilot, and is used regularly when deciding to accept jumpseaters or not....


Originally Posted by subin30 (Post 626924)
yes, its not fair and sucks to be in midwest shoes, but i dont think republic pilots are scabs. they didn't vote on nothing and have nothing they can actively do to prevent this.

you don't vote on anything to become a sc$%^b.... your actions dictate the title.... as for preventing it... the first chance to do that was in 2003 when your pilot group accepted and negotiated for 190's... the second chance was when you actually showed up to replace another pilot who had been furloughed/locked out.


Originally Posted by subin30 (Post 626924)
its not just midwest, history has shown other pilots groups getting hosed nearing the end of their company's existence.

Here you go again, trying to rationalize what you're doing. There is a difference between being bought and merged, and furloughed/locked out and repalced....

Mason32 06-29-2009 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 636086)
ygtb kidding me. I've never brought colgan pilots into any of my posts. It's not their fault. DO a little search of my post before you throw false accusations....

why don't you educate me as to what the scope lawsuit was about......it says plain as day in our contract any flying will be done by pilots on the Pinnacle seniority list. Pinnacle forms Pinnacle Corp and buys Colgan to award turboprob flying to pilots who they can pay less money to....hires like crazy for a while on the COlgan side, meanwhile we are displacing CA's

Scope is there to prevent other pilots from another seniority list flying your aircraft/routes etc, and also to prevent the purchase/lease of aircraft for another company to be flown by the other company. If you have a different definition I would like to hear it....


Wasn't there a similar case involving RAH.... with the court ruling that Republic Holdings and Republic Airlines were basically alter-ego's of eachother...

Sounds like you guys have a good case... good luck.

ToiletDuck 06-29-2009 09:21 AM

Like you sig says Mason. Fly the contract and nothing more. That's what we're doing and that's what Midwest guys are doing. ALPA dropped the ball huge by allowing a hole big enough for a shark like BB to drive a Mac truck through.

Mason32 06-29-2009 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 636010)
ha ha that's funny. Just like Colgan didn't get around Pinnacle's scope, even tho the mediator said they did initially then went back and said, oh you are 2 separate companies even though the top management is all the same and the money is funneled from one company to the other...:rolleyes:

you keep telling yourself you are 2 separate companies.

That sounds like

Delta - Comair and now Northwest-Compass et all...
USAir - Mesaba-Piedmont
AMR - AA & AE


Nothing new there my friend


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