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Old 06-13-2009 | 11:12 AM
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Upon notification of any Military Assignments the pilot is to present their written orders, if possible, of the planned drill(s), to include the name and contact number of the Commanding Officer, to your Base Management. If written orders have not yet been received or are unable to be provided in advance, submit a written notification to your Base Management that contains this information as soon as known.
Reserve/Guard personnel that volunteer for additional military assignments should attempt to schedule these periods around planned company “days off” in order to minimize schedule adjustments. Upon assignment of the additional drill(s), present written orders or submit a written notification to your Base Management that contains this information as soon as known.
Process: Pre-PBS
All known military orders will be forwarded to scheduling by the 15th of the month prior to the military duty assignment, in order to incorporate the event into the PBS line construction.
A pilot who is not available for a full month will have their eligible minimum guarantee pro-rated based on the number of days available.
Pilots will have a choice of determining eligible minimum monthly guarantee/day off entitlement by choosing one of the two available options listed below:
Option 1: Prorated monthly guarantee andOption and minimum days off (default option)
Guarantee
75 Hours / # of Days on the bid month (either 30 or 31) = (2.5 or 2.42)
2.5 or 2.42 multiplied by the number of days unavailable for assignment = Y
75 Hours minus Y = pro-rated guarantee.
Days Off (Rounded to the nearest whole number)
Days in the month minus unavailable days
X 10
Days in the month
Option 2: Military Days Counted as Off Days (for leaves not exceeding 3 days)
Have the period of Military Leave counted as part of minimum days off (i.e. with two (2) days military leave the pilot would be entitled to eight (8) additional days off).


So, at my Guard Unit, I'm allowed 4 days a month to work/train/get paid. That means that I can either have a guarantee from Pinnacle of 6 days off a month plus my 4 military days, or I can take a pro-rated guarantee for only being available to fly 26 days out of a 30-day month. Still, senior line-holders can hold 20 to 22 days off a month and make guarantee. So why can't I have 14 days off (4 in service of my country) and still make the 75 hour guarantee? I mean is this even legal? Like everyone else, I'm angry as he!! over the new pass travel BS, but this absolutely makes my blood boil. Essentially management is telling us that it's ok to serve our country as long as it's on our own time.
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Old 06-13-2009 | 11:17 AM
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If you 'volunteer' for assignments, you are under NO obligation whatsoever to schedule them at the company's convenience. Pinnacle folks may need to have the ESGR folks on speed dial.
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Old 06-13-2009 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by elfouquer
Upon notification of any Military Assignments the pilot is to present their written orders, if possible, of the planned drill(s), to include the name and contact number of the Commanding Officer, to your Base Management. If written orders have not yet been received or are unable to be provided in advance, submit a written notification to your Base Management that contains this information as soon as known.
Reserve/Guard personnel that volunteer for additional military assignments should attempt to schedule these periods around planned company “days off” in order to minimize schedule adjustments. Upon assignment of the additional drill(s), present written orders or submit a written notification to your Base Management that contains this information as soon as known.
Process: Pre-PBS
All known military orders will be forwarded to scheduling by the 15th of the month prior to the military duty assignment, in order to incorporate the event into the PBS line construction.
A pilot who is not available for a full month will have their eligible minimum guarantee pro-rated based on the number of days available.
Pilots will have a choice of determining eligible minimum monthly guarantee/day off entitlement by choosing one of the two available options listed below:
Option 1: Prorated monthly guarantee andOption and minimum days off (default option)
Guarantee
75 Hours / # of Days on the bid month (either 30 or 31) = (2.5 or 2.42)
2.5 or 2.42 multiplied by the number of days unavailable for assignment = Y
75 Hours minus Y = pro-rated guarantee.
Days Off (Rounded to the nearest whole number)
Days in the month minus unavailable days
X 10
Days in the month
Option 2: Military Days Counted as Off Days (for leaves not exceeding 3 days)
Have the period of Military Leave counted as part of minimum days off (i.e. with two (2) days military leave the pilot would be entitled to eight (8) additional days off).


So, at my Guard Unit, I'm allowed 4 days a month to work/train/get paid. That means that I can either have a guarantee from Pinnacle of 6 days off a month plus my 4 military days, or I can take a pro-rated guarantee for only being available to fly 26 days out of a 30-day month. Still, senior line-holders can hold 20 to 22 days off a month and make guarantee. So why can't I have 14 days off (4 in service of my country) and still make the 75 hour guarantee? I mean is this even legal? Like everyone else, I'm angry as he!! over the new pass travel BS, but this absolutely makes my blood boil. Essentially management is telling us that it's ok to serve our country as long as it's on our own time.
Don't be surprised this is PNCL we are dealing with!!! They won't even stand for country, I wonder which side of the fence management sides with when it comes to protecting our country. (Just as long as Memphis is Protected, they are fine with that)
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Old 06-13-2009 | 11:42 AM
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You can obviously tell that this was written by someone who has never set foot on a military base. I like the term "base management" it's catchy! Looks like Phildo is looking for a fight with the DOD too! "Hey can you do a couple of months in Afghanistan?" Well sir; I can give you two days, but my employer might call and tell me I'm junior manned and I need to report for a trip, so I'd have to get home super quick. I can really only schedue active duty around my days off per my employer!"

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Old 06-13-2009 | 12:37 PM
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[quote=elfouquer;627980]. If written orders have not yet been received or are unable to be provided in advance, submit a written notification to your Base Management that contains this information as soon as known.

This is illegal, they can't force you to supply them with a written request before you go to drill, use ftp's, or are on orders. The law specifically says the request can be made verbally or be written to take time off for military service.


Reserve/Guard personnel that volunteer for additional military assignments should attempt to schedule these periods around planned company “days off” in order to minimize schedule adjustments.

This sounds illegal, but they only use the world "should" which legally means you don't have to schedule anything around compay "days off."

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Definitely forward this to the ESGR asap, this directive will be reworded, changed, or deleted shortly thereafter guaranteed.
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Old 06-13-2009 | 12:45 PM
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USERRA FAQ

Must the employee give advance notice to the employer of his or her service in the uniformed services?top


(c) The employee's notice to the employer may be either verbal or written. The notice may be informal and does not need to follow any particular format.

(d) Although USERRA does not specify how far in advance notice must be given to the employer, an employee should provide notice as far in advance as is reasonable under the circumstances. In regulations promulgated by the Department of Defense under USERRA, 32 CFR 104.6(a)(2)(i)(B), the Defense Department “strongly recommends that advance notice to civilian employers be provided at least 30 days prior to departure for uniformed service when it is feasible to do so.”



This is cut and pasted from section 1002.85 on the ESGR website. I removed some parts (a) and (b) to shorten it for the forum as they didn't apply. Nothing pi$$es me off more than companies abusing employees in the Guard and Reserves. I'd also make sure your union was apprised of the situation. This could potentially be something for them to keep in their hip pocket for the future.
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Old 06-13-2009 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bat21
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Nothing pi$$es me off more than companies abusing employees in the Guard and Reserves. I'd also make sure your union was apprised of the situation. This could potentially be something for them to keep in their hip pocket for the future.
All you folks want us civilians to take up your slack while you go out to play soldier. Really, is it so much to ask that if you are going to go in harms way, you do it on your time? Babs and I hate missing our canasta Saturday nights.

And for the benefit of crew scheduling, if you plan on becoming a casualty, could you please provide advance, written notification of the event. The notice should include date of your upcoming casualty, severity of the injury (or death), and expected length of time expected to recuperate from said injury (or death).
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Old 06-13-2009 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
And for the benefit of crew scheduling, if you plan on becoming a casualty, could you please provide advance, written notification of the event. The notice should include date of your upcoming casualty, severity of the injury (or death), and expected length of time expected to recuperate from said injury (or death).

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Old 06-13-2009 | 01:59 PM
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Yea, if the NAS goes to zero again, they'll probably count those as days off, too.

FYI the ESGR (USERRA) has some obbudsmen who are real bulldogs. Management will regret the day they try to hose a service member.
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Old 06-13-2009 | 02:01 PM
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Requiring copies of orders is illegal. A standard Mil-Leave letter from your unit on letterhead is all they can require of you...and doesn't need to be in advance if you anly have time to verbally notify. Although it sounds like they may have covered their *** by adding "if possible" at the end of everything.

What if you only want to use some of your Mil days as days off, not all...doesn't really spell out that option.

PNCL guys, remember they are required to give you travel days too...don't cut em any slack.

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