The sad truth
06-15-2009 | 09:57 PM
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We are watching the transformation of this industry happening right before our eyes. It is just a microcosm of the outsourcing mentality that exists today. And as much as we all might complain about it, pilots will still take the jobs, mainline furloughees will slip into those seats for a fraction of the pay and the airplanes will be as adequately staffed as ever with a surplus of resumes in the HR person's stack.
06-15-2009 | 10:09 PM
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My attention was drawn to AA. All other legacies at $258/hr to $278/hr, then AA stumbles in at $350/hr. That is 35% higher than DAL's $258/hr.
What an interesting graphic. Of course, I don't know whether "hourly cost per pilot" really measures economic viability, but if it does, it really is difficult to see how Adam Smith's "invisible hand" will allow the legacies to remain in the domestic market. AA's $350/hr. versus Eagle's $140/hr and Skywest's $127/hr does not bode well for AA and other legacies.
What an interesting graphic. Of course, I don't know whether "hourly cost per pilot" really measures economic viability, but if it does, it really is difficult to see how Adam Smith's "invisible hand" will allow the legacies to remain in the domestic market. AA's $350/hr. versus Eagle's $140/hr and Skywest's $127/hr does not bode well for AA and other legacies.
06-16-2009 | 06:12 AM
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06-16-2009 | 06:56 AM
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It says the average regional pilot makes $62,000 after five years compared to $87,000 at a legacy. That logic is assuming the regional pilot is a captain and the legacy pilot is a first officer. That is flawed logic as the regionals are done growing. We could have 15 year first officers at the regionals that are working now.
06-16-2009 | 07:05 AM
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It says the average regional pilot makes $62,000 after five years compared to $87,000 at a legacy. That logic is assuming the regional pilot is a captain and the legacy pilot is a first officer. That is flawed logic as the regionals are done growing. We could have 15 year first officers at the regionals that are working now.
06-16-2009 | 09:21 AM
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You need to remember it includes "Training Costs".... how many of you have ever visited the AMR Training Center?
The AMR pilot costs probably have more to do with the expansive, gi-ganta-normous training center / small city / they have built to train their pilots at.
Google Map it...
4501 Highway 360 South, Fort Worth, TX
The flight attendant training center is on the south side of FAA Road.
The AMR pilot costs probably have more to do with the expansive, gi-ganta-normous training center / small city / they have built to train their pilots at.
Google Map it...
4501 Highway 360 South, Fort Worth, TX
The flight attendant training center is on the south side of FAA Road.
06-16-2009 | 10:34 AM
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06-16-2009 | 11:20 AM
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We are watching the transformation of this industry happening right before our eyes. It is just a microcosm of the outsourcing mentality that exists today. And as much as we all might complain about it, pilots will still take the jobs, mainline furloughees will slip into those seats for a fraction of the pay and the airplanes will be as adequately staffed as ever with a surplus of resumes in the HR person's stack.
That's pretty melodramatic.
RJs have simply outgrown themselves, 50 seaters in paticular, and with fuel going up they have once again become less economical. Many of the 76 seaters were a result of BK, which is now more difficult to file. I don't think you will see management be able to repeat the concessions forced on many pilot gproups in the last 5-7 years. That includes scope erosion.
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