I dont get it, was fatigue really the issue on 3407?

The only thing we can pray for is to be allowed to fly more than 8hrs in a day, and not be allowed to have duty days longer than 12hrs

 

How can this be enforced? What if I live 1 hours' drive from my base? I drive there 8 hours before my show time, drive home, then leave my house 6 hours later to drive back and fly? If I am "required" to be at work would I be paid?

Also what is the definition of a "commuter"? 2 hours drive? 3? 300 miles? 400 miles?

This seems too complicated to actually happen.

 

The airlines have been getting away with a "C" scale wage for the last 10-15 years. Not our fault they didn't save for the inevitable.
What scares me about this guy is that he is giving up our privacy rights.
What next medical records? Think Southwest has the right to know where you got that itch from?
And there was no mention of the $20k salary that F/O;s make. ***? Poor Wages = reduced safety. Looks like he wants to run for president next election. There is a group of problems not just fatigue. That's just one link in the destruction chain.

 

some thoughts:

1. what happened to ONE LEVEL OF SAFETY-- why is the talk of regional airlines only getting a 12 hour duty day- it shoudl be the same for all
2. the above rule will make airlines ****ed off and moaning and groaning and of course they would want to be able to fly more than 8hrs in a duty period to cx the pilots required for the 12 hr future duty rule- so manpower evens out-- IE manpower neutral.

3. did you know that the NTSB has made over 450 recommendations that the FAA has yet to propose and have only implemented about 12 items-- pretty freaking sad if you ask me--- pilots flying on these antiquated rules, the FAA is at as much fault as most of the pilots for not makeing things happen sooner.

4. i seriously doubt things will change--- they havent for almost 60 years and i doubt they will start soon.

5. personally, i think they should adopt the european rules-- they must be doing something right over there- they are living the dream.

6. anti trust immunity, outsourcing flying at the major airline level, downsizing, the huge gap b/w 70 seaters and the smallest mainline aircraft-- things are only going to get more interesting.

SKIPPY-- no tholding my breath

 

Wonder if Babbitt commuted when he was flying? This may be a good test of whether a line pilot's perspective will make any difference at the FAA.

 

You ever seen the stack of books that are required reading for the JAA license? Its called "weed out". The standards need to be raised across the board to something high. This isn't to play the experience card exclusively, but to weed out half the competition. Less pilots available for jobs equals higher wages and QOL and bargaining power.

 

Said he did for 5 years.

 

Now that was FUNNY!

 

Why do you think the company would pay the moving expenses??? There are lots of jobs out there, both in and out of aviation, that do not pay for new employees to move. And since Pinnacle gave us moving days, I assume that the other carriers do also. It is not the fault of the airline that people did not actually move during that time.

Of course, for any future moves, caused by displacement or base closures for example, I would definitely agree that the company should pay to move you.

 

There is no possible legal way to ban commuting. It's too hard to legally define...

If they require all pilots to be in domicile 8 hours prior, then that is duty and you get paid for it (and it counts against your other duty limits).

If they actually banned commuting, they would lose 30% of the pilot force...this career is not worth dragging your family all over the map for, may as well go back on active duty.