Cockpit Safety
#11
i stopped paying attention to the company over 3 years ago. i have a lot of red blocs on my crewtrac, but thats ok
if i am sick, i call in sick. if i am fatigued, i call in fatigued. if i get extended i refuse the extension. if i get junior manned, i get a junior man refusal. eventually they just leave you alone.
if i am sick, i call in sick. if i am fatigued, i call in fatigued. if i get extended i refuse the extension. if i get junior manned, i get a junior man refusal. eventually they just leave you alone.
#12
But since we track ground based navs, the line will still move on the EHSI just like the ol 172
Last edited by The Juice; 06-16-2009 at 04:44 PM.
#13
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No FMS of any kind. The closes we get to anything is hitting the DEV button to show a line of our chosen course on our EHSI, we can get really crazy and 2nd course the other guys line on ours.
But since we tract ground bases navs the line will still move on the EHSI just like the ol 172
But since we tract ground bases navs the line will still move on the EHSI just like the ol 172
#14
That's good old-fashioned flying...nothing wrong with that...I'm jealous! You should see these guys' faces when I flip it into green-needles HAHA They've been out of it so long, it's difficult to get back. Lord I hope they never suffer the emergency that is an FMS-failure 

#16

In all seriousness though, without knowing the situation an AP malfunction could be an emergency. It isn't responding to inputs from the crew, strong and erratic flight control movements, or won't disconnect are a few examples.
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I don't think the OP's concerns are unique to Pinnacle. This kind of crap is happening all over the place. I think the worst safety issue is lack of cancellation pay. It encourages crews to fly unairworthy airplanes because if they write them up they get punished by having a turn (or in my most recent case an entire day of flying) canceled and losing the pay for those flights. When you're making poverty level wages already, you can bet a lot goes through your mind when you notice a maintenance issue that will effect your pay. Write it up and lose flying and you're gonna end up flying while really ****ed at the company for taking your money because you did your job. Don't write it up and you're flying an airplane that should have been fixed. Either way it's unsafe. I've already written safety reports about this and the fact that our company only allows one pilot (the pilot not flying) to have a chart in front of them.
I know a crew very well that had to file a report the other day because the PNF was doing piloty stuff like calling in range, getting weather, and briefing up the pax. In the meantime, the PF accidentally blew past the point they were supposed to turn because there had a miscommunication about where that point was. BANDS is 21miles from PSP and SETER 21 miles from PDZ. Pretty easy to see with a chart in front of you but not so much when the chart is on the other yoke and the mileage and VOR's are very similar. Anyway, point is that there are tons of safety issues at every airline that the pilots all know about and have told people about but nothing gets done. Nothing ever gets done until people die.
I know a crew very well that had to file a report the other day because the PNF was doing piloty stuff like calling in range, getting weather, and briefing up the pax. In the meantime, the PF accidentally blew past the point they were supposed to turn because there had a miscommunication about where that point was. BANDS is 21miles from PSP and SETER 21 miles from PDZ. Pretty easy to see with a chart in front of you but not so much when the chart is on the other yoke and the mileage and VOR's are very similar. Anyway, point is that there are tons of safety issues at every airline that the pilots all know about and have told people about but nothing gets done. Nothing ever gets done until people die.
#19
Waaawaawawawaaaaiiiiit a minute, they actually tell you you're NOT ALLOWED to look at a chart???? Are you kidding me? Who the hell thought that was a good idea? (And why are the feds not going nuts on them???)
#20
Either way it's unsafe. I've already written safety reports about this and the fact that our company only allows one pilot (the pilot not flying) to have a chart in front of them.
I know a crew very well that had to file a report the other day because the PNF was doing piloty stuff like calling in range, getting weather, and briefing up the pax. In the meantime, the PF accidentally blew past the point they were supposed to turn because there had a miscommunication about where that point was. BANDS is 21miles from PSP and SETER 21 miles from PDZ. Pretty easy to see with a chart in front of you but not so much when the chart is on the other yoke and the mileage and VOR's are very similar. Anyway, point is that there are tons of safety issues at every airline that the pilots all know about and have told people about but nothing gets done. Nothing ever gets done until people die.
I know a crew very well that had to file a report the other day because the PNF was doing piloty stuff like calling in range, getting weather, and briefing up the pax. In the meantime, the PF accidentally blew past the point they were supposed to turn because there had a miscommunication about where that point was. BANDS is 21miles from PSP and SETER 21 miles from PDZ. Pretty easy to see with a chart in front of you but not so much when the chart is on the other yoke and the mileage and VOR's are very similar. Anyway, point is that there are tons of safety issues at every airline that the pilots all know about and have told people about but nothing gets done. Nothing ever gets done until people die.
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