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-   -   Midwest is to be owned by RAH. (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/41304-midwest-owned-rah.html)

BoilerUP 06-24-2009 10:37 AM
Whaddaya know, relative seniority doesn't "screw" anybody...

johnso29 06-24-2009 10:41 AM
Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 633946)
Should my concern be something else? I pay union dues for this reason. I'm not here for charity I'm here to work my way up the rungs. I don't consider it fair if 1000 pilots join our seniority list yet we keep native RAH guys on the street. If we were being purchased I wouldn't expect someone to say "Here take my seniority spot I feel bad for you". I have responsibilities to myself first. Times are tough for us all.

Midwest Pilots paid dues. You see how it worked out for them. You guys are in for a VERY NASTY RIDE. All I can say is Good Luck.

johnso29 06-24-2009 10:44 AM
Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 634436)
Whaddaya know, relative seniority doesn't "screw" anybody...
I know, because the NWA/DAL pilots who moved BACKWARDS 3 years in seniority didn't get hosed by relative seniority at all. It doesn't work.

Someone ALWAYS gets screwed by relative seniority.

Dougdrvr 06-24-2009 10:49 AM
Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 634436)
Whaddaya know, relative seniority doesn't "screw" anybody...

Why would anyone want to be senior to their relatives?:p

johnso29 06-24-2009 10:53 AM
Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 634150)
I'm not sure and I didn't mean in it's entirety. I mean how the TWA guys maintained their seniority in STL in their original equipment regardless of their overall seniority placement on the master list. Seems like a good deal that someone being acquired would be glad to have. They stay on their equipment and maintain their position in base.
Yes, & as a result MANY guys who were holding 767 CA in JFK can hold nothing better then MD80 CA in STL or 767 FO in JFK. Some even fell off 767 CA all the way back to MD80 FO. It was a horrible staple job, & the fence around STL is a joke because AMR turned STL into a ghost town. A small percentage of AA Mainline flying remains in STL, most of it taken over by RJs. Personally, if RAH pilots don't have access to equivalent size equipment to F9 pilots @ time of purchase then they shouldn't have access to that equipment period.

Mason32 06-24-2009 11:01 AM
Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 634447)
Yes, & as a result MANY guys who were holding 767 CA in JFK can hold nothing better then MD80 CA in STL or 767 FO in JFK. Some even fell off 767 CA all the way back to MD80 FO. It was a horrible staple job, & the fence around STL is a joke because AMR turned STL into a ghost town. A small percentage of AA Mainline flying remains in STL, most of it taken over by RJs. Personally, if RAH pilots don't have access to equivalent size equipment to F9 pilots @ time of purchase then they shouldn't have access to that equipment period.

But if it were the other way around, and Frontier were purchasing RAH, you wouldn't have any problems with furloughing RAH guys to your seat would you..... works both ways my friend.

johnso29 06-24-2009 11:02 AM
Originally Posted by Ratherbeoffwork (Post 634379)
I'd like to see industry leading rates. I never said I wouldn't. All I said is that people should take some responsibility and stop blaming others (especially other pilot groups). As for the norm at Republic, where do you get your information? From here? How many of the 2000 pilots there do you talk to with a roll over and take it attitude? Or are you just assuming as usual?
Are you ready to take responsibilty if your pilot group fails to get industry leading wages? Will YOU be ready to stop blaming others? Be prepared to eat your own words IF you & your pilot group fails the rest of the industry.

johnso29 06-24-2009 11:06 AM
Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 634452)
But if it were the other way around, and Frontier were purchasing RAH, you wouldn't have any problems with furloughing RAH guys to your seat would you..... works both ways my friend.
I don't work for Frontier, so no, it DOESNT work both ways. Just ask yourself how YOU would feel if RAH bought Eagle & knocked you out of YOUR seat.

grdprox 06-24-2009 11:10 AM
Originally Posted by RichieAshburn (Post 634413)
For Frontier pilots sake, hope there's another bidder!
Why? Either way it will not work out in Frontier pilots favor.

RichieAshburn 06-24-2009 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by grdprox (Post 634462)
Why? Either way it will not work out in Frontier pilots favor.
You bet, so why not hope to be bought up by a major instead? None of the Frontier pilots I know want to be a part of republic. The question is, is there a major airline willing to jump on this firesale during a bad economy? Probably not. I'm just hoping we(DAL) find a way to dump Republic then bring Compass onto our list, maybe that's wishful thinking?? Good luck to the Frontier and Midwest pilots.


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