I'm financially stable because I live within my means. That doesn't mean my means are as glamorous as others. I don't know what a new vehicle feels like, I work on the farm with my father when I have several days off, and I also come to work here at my airline with aspirations of making more. Just because I held two jobs in college and have basically no debt doesn't mean I'm rolling in cash it just means I haven't stretched myself beyond my means. There's nothing contradictory about it. Being financially stable and being able to afford to do the things you want are two different animals. I'm not worried about money, ie don't have $1000 a month school loans, but I can't exactly go down and take the boat fishing every time I have a few days off or join a golf coarse. Those statements are also taken out of context when used with a "Micheal Moore" cut and paste job. It is possible to live just fine as an FO and I am. That doesn't mean I want to be here for the next decade.

This is a very delicate issue. And I'm certain the average Frontier pilot does not owe anybody a damn thing.... They don't need to hop on any boat. RAH pilots need to PROVE to F9 pilots the boat is worth hopping on.

This is a chance for the RAH pilots to take a good look in the mirror and decide if they want to elevate this profession or top out on concessionary wages. It starts right now...


We collectively can elevate this profession to our actual worth. PM me if you like.

You misunderstood me. My point wasn't a "Take it or leave it" deal in integration. BB is going after the F9 group prior to them joining us using the fact they are in BK as leverage. As a separate pilot group under a different union there's no help the Teamsters here can offer. Once Frontier pilots are on the RAH seniority list, however it happens, the payscales for the aircraft they fly must be negotiated for by our(including frontier) union. This will take leverage away from the company and give it to the pilots. The aircraft can't be operated without agreed upon wages(unless i'm reading things wrong). By having the Frontier guys get on our seniority list quickly there is no means for the company to whipsaw with. BB is currently wanting scope removed from F9. If that happens he could say "take a cut on the bus or we put 190s on it" which we all know is a bad deal. With you guys on the RAH seniority that can't happen. That in itself is proof enough. One way or another the seniority list must be merged per the contact it would be beneficial to both groups for it to happen before he uses each one as weapons against the other in my opinion. I don't feel any F9 guy owes us anything. Of course that goes both ways.

First off.. just to to clear I'm not an F9 pilot. I'm a pilot concerned with the direction of this industry and I'm considerably concerned to be honest.

There is plenty help the Teamsters/RAH pilots can give us all... it is a matter of RAH pilots acknowledging this...

It seems there is a dedicated group of skilled unionized individuals who happen to work for a VERY sucessful management group. This SAME management group appears to undervalue your worth. Your pilot group is in NEGOTIATIONS. Do not sell yourself short.

It's not up to the F9 group to join the list... And if they happen to choose to relieve scope and effectively surrender their rights, that is their collective right. I guarantee they'll have exercised every alternative possible prior to doing so.

But recognize this: under no circumstance will I accept a pilot's answer, "It's not my fault". It is up to each pilot group to step up to the plate, regardless of union.

I fought and continue to fight...

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Thanks to your brilliant leader, thats exactly where you'll be.

I don't think Diego Marodona has anything to do with this.

Where do you want to be?

LOL that's awesome man!!!!

I second that, Bedford basically opened the door to the possible demise of the domestic market flown by mainline carriers. I truly hope that this whole venture goes up in smoke, because if it succeeds, 10-15 years from now there will be very few narrows at the majors, and "regional" airlines will be as far as most will go.