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eaglefly 06-24-2009 05:16 PM
Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 634583)
I really envy what RAH is doing.
With their labor costs, they'll be stting a tough standard for others to compete with for E-190 flying. Hopefully, the other regionals will continue to raise the bar as they move up to larger aircraft. Longevity will help too. 5 years from now the majority of current RJ captains will still bea their carriers and in the 10-15 scale that should put most close to or even above $100K/year.........and that's good.

They're the trailblazers for the future just as Comair was for the '90's.

RAHPilot5 06-24-2009 05:29 PM
Originally Posted by shimmydamp (Post 634659)
Maybe it has already been said but...

Given that RAH pilots are in negotiations it is now up to them as a pilot group to demand industry-leading wages. Before they accept a new contract it is not fair to blame them for decisions their management made.

The recent growth made by RAH proves they are not in financial trouble and it's now up to the pilots of RAH to galvanize and demand fair pay.

It's disheartening what's happened at Midwest and Frontier but right now RAH pilots have the opportunity to step up to the plate and move forward in the right direction. Given the media spotlight on regional pay, an NMB that respects the RLA, and the deep pockets of RAH, and they have every right to hold out until they are paid at least JetBlue wages.

Anything short of that would prove that RAH pilots aren't willing to stand up for this profession, and such bitterness towards them would THEN be deserved.
with all the RAH threads within the last month, this has been said (by me numerous times) but it falls on deaf ears. Why bother reasoning with people on here:rolleyes:

They have their opinion about RAH and frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn.

johnso29 06-24-2009 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by shimmydamp (Post 634659)
Maybe it has already been said but...

Given that RAH pilots are in negotiations it is now up to them as a pilot group to demand industry-leading wages. Before they accept a new contract it is not fair to blame them for decisions their management made.

The recent growth made by RAH proves they are not in financial trouble and it's now up to the pilots of RAH to galvanize and demand fair pay.

It's disheartening what's happened at Midwest and Frontier but right now RAH pilots have the opportunity to step up to the plate and move forward in the right direction. Given the media spotlight on regional pay, an NMB that respects the RLA, and the deep pockets of RAH, and they have every right to hold out until they are paid at least JetBlue wages.

Anything short of that would prove that RAH pilots aren't willing to stand up for this profession, and such bitterness towards them would THEN be deserved.
I agree 100%. However, it's discouraging to see RAH pilots state that they feel JB wages are unreasonable and ridiculous. Perhaps now that BB is willing to shell out the $$$ for two Major Airlines they will think otherwise. We can only hope.

BoilerUP 06-24-2009 05:46 PM
Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 634697)
I agree 100%. However, it's discouraging to see RAH pilots state that they feel JB wages are unreasonable and ridiculous.
I honestly must have missed that post...can you steer me toward it?

johnso29 06-24-2009 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 634705)
I honestly must have missed that post...can you steer me toward it?

Yeah, go back to the E190 thread. When it was first announced that they would be flying 190s for YX, I suggested anything less then JB rates is unacceptable. I was scoffed at by several.

WhizWheel 06-24-2009 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 634708)
Yeah, go back to the E190 thread. When it was first announced that they would be flying 190s for YX, I suggested anything less then JB rates is unacceptable. I was scoffed at by several.
Well then by ALL MEANS throw out a blanket statement such as all RAH pilots are afraid to ask for JB rates or better. Yes, yes, most definitely a 2000+ number of pilots is represented completely by a few on here who "scoffed" at your suggestion. Well done.

johnso29 06-24-2009 06:17 PM
Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 634697)
I agree 100%. However, it's discouraging to see RAH pilots state that they feel JB wages are unreasonable and ridiculous. Perhaps now that BB is willing to shell out the $$$ for two Major Airlines they will think otherwise. We can only hope.
Originally Posted by WhizWheel (Post 634722)
Well then by ALL MEANS throw out a blanket statement such as all RAH pilots are afraid to ask for JB rates or better. Yes, yes, most definitely a 2000+ number of pilots is represented completely by a few on here who "scoffed" at your suggestion. Well done.

Would you like to quote me and show where I made a blanket statement of ALL RAH pilots? You can't, because I didn't. Some or "a few" qualifies as RAH pilots.:rolleyes:

NightIP 06-24-2009 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by WhizWheel (Post 634737)
You didn't say "a few".....you didn't say "some". What you said, as quoted above, doesn't take much effort to infer that you meant all RAH pilots. Backtrack any way you please. Its in plain English. :)

Good day
I didn't read it that way. Try not to take things so personally!

dojetdriver 06-24-2009 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by shimmydamp (Post 634659)
Given that RAH pilots are in negotiations it is now up to them as a pilot group to demand industry-leading wages. Before they accept a new contract it is not fair to blame them for decisions their management made.
Yep, it sure is up to them. I said it else where, the RAH MEC/NC has a ton on their plate being in negotiations with the climate this industry is, and these acquisitions aren't helping them any.

This has the potential to screw the RAH pilot group, just like BB did last time. He'll have their NC so tied up in scope protection and seniority integration issues that something is going to have to give.

I'm not underestimating them, and sincerely hope they can pull it out.

ToiletDuck 06-24-2009 10:01 PM
Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 634794)
I'm not underestimating them, and sincerely hope they can pull it out.
I think the newest and most immediate obstacle is getting the Frontier guys on the seniority list. If BB goes after their already cut pay then arguing for more on a 190 won't be easy. The F9 guys need to hop on the boat so the MEC here can negotiate those wages as well while at the same time offering them a little protection from the "hand of God".


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